Sando's 6.89

Terrorblade will be getting nerfed again shortly I imagine if Icefrog gives us a mini-patch before TI.

Because 70% winrate across all regions in the TI qualifiers is absurd.

He's seemingly the real OSFrog right now. From the **** that Icefrog actually cares about. Given as usual he farms at Alch speed whilst coming online ealier and scaling harder.

Doom would say something about that without items, naga and anti, while needing radiance and battlefury respectively, both put sven's farming speed to shame once they actually get the items.

I'm pretty sure Sven racks up more than both of them by 30 min because he stacks ancients from 6 min mark.

And after that it's pretty irrelevant because you should be completely out of control and finishing the game by that time on Sven.

it's pretty hard to finish the game if the naga got her radiance at a reasonable timing, and ancient stacks can be contested at that early stage.

Doom, not even close. The standard build on Doom doesn't even max Devour anymore, since they go 2/4/4 now. But even if you do max Q, maxed Q is just 150 GPM for free. Compared to the 800-900 something GPM that a Sven can pull out, it's really a joke.

AM, once he gets bfury AND a damage item, maybe (manta isn't a real damage item btw). But the thing is, Sven comes online at only the 6 min mark as a farming machine so he starts flashfarming 20 minutes before AM, so at the end of the day he pulls in significantly more cash over the course of a game, and gets 6-slotted noticeably earlier than AM. Essentially Sven has such a big headstart over AM that it doesn't matter that an AM with butterfly farms a bit faster.
Also, AM can't stack ancients, nor can he clear ancient stacks before the 25 min mark at least. A level 11 Sven with helm can clear 4-stacks almost instantly.

Naga, it depends on the timings. A freefarming Naga definitely farms faster than Sven. The thing is, in a real game situation, Sven is way more consistent. Sven loses his lane? That's fine, he'll just come back with jungle and stacks. Naga loses her lane? Radiance delayed way too much, GG. If you are talking about the peak farming speed, then sure a Naga with full freefarm gets 14 minute radiance and outfarms everyone. The thing is, in a real game, Naga struggles in lane and has to make space all game because the hero is so damn weak in fights. Besides, the more I play Naga, the more I think that applying constant pressure is way, way more important that going for the fancy GPM stats on that hero. Like using Mirror Images to right click towers is always better than sending them to farm jungle if you have a choice. So a realistic Naga with a good lane has about the same farm speed as a Sven, a realistic Naga with a bad lane just cries. Look in pro games for average radiance timings on Naga, it's abut 23-ish minutes. It's actually pretty pathetic. At that time Sven already has blink-helm-sabre-BKB or something.

What's so unfair about Sven is that he *always* gets farmed super fast. There isn't much you can do about that. Gank him? Well first good luck with that, he sits at >1600 HP and 30 armor before the 10 minute mark. And second it doesn't even delay him since he farms with no items. Push his towers like you'd do against usual hard carries? Nope, he just TPs in and destroys you. Shut him down in lane? He's one of the best carries in the entire game for fighting in lane with his AOE stun and 10 armor warcry at level 3. Besides he has a billion base damage with Quelling Blade so good luck contesting his CS.

The only real counter to Sven is dedicated kiters like Weaver or Winter Wyvern, or BKB piercing stuns/slows. But then good luck dealing any damage to that 40 armor Sven who has twice your farm with Weaver ;)

The one real weakness of Sven is similar to Meepo's - he absorbs so much farm that he doesn't leave much behind for his team.

So you can abuse this by picking heroes that counter single core lineups (to some extent) like Lina, Bane, etc. etc.

What are you talking about?
Ancient stacks do not take away farm because:

1) You stack, so you increase the amount of gold on the map.
2) Nobody can farm ancient stacks so early anyway, and most pos 2-5 heroes are never good at farming stacks even lategame, so ancients is the resource only you use most of the time.

And when it comes to regular creeps he doesn't consume nearly as much as Tinker, Naga, AM etc.

...and even if Sven gets his ancients warded and hated on he can just stack hard camps.

Comparison with Meepo or Tinker kind of stands but Meepo and Tinker are pretty damn weak for ~15 minutes before they get their core items. While Sven has insane early game presence.

If you let me squeeze in a single off-topic post, please...

When I hear "ancient stacking", I think about Sven and Luna first, and Gyrocopter second (and maybe Tidehunter third, though I don't really count him). I've also seen Anti-Mage, Phantom Assassin and Dragon Knight stack and farm them successfully. My question is, what makes Sven farm them the fastest? Is God's Strength enough damage? How slow are the others in comparison?

Sven is the best ancient clearer in the game by a huge margin. God's Strength doubles his damage and Great Cleave makes him hit every ancient creep at once ignoring armor.

Gyrocopter hits every ancient creep but it's only for 6 hits (so not enough damage to kill them all in the early game), it gets reduced by armor, and he has no damage steroid.

Tidehunter is incredibly slow at killing ancients but he takes almost no damage from them so he can take his time.

Anti-Mage can kill ancient stacks with Battle Fury, Vanguard and Yasha, but not before. It's also pretty slow because no damage steroid and half of Sven's cleave.

Luna can kill 4-stacks with Helm of the Dominator Ring of Aquila and Moon Shard. Replace moonshard by Yasha and she just gets rekt. Glaives only hits 6 targets and with greatly reduced damage, also no damage steroid.

Medusa can kill stacks early-ish with Mask of Madness + Yasha + Ultimate Orb but it's slow as hell.

Phantom Assassin can kill stacks with helm and battlefury, but then you bought helm and battlefury on PA, that's not really recommended :)

Dragon Knight can kill stacks with helm and armlet, but it's pretty slow and you just wasted your 115 second cooldown ult only to kill creeps, so nobody really does that.

What makes Sven the best ancient clearer in the game is the fact that he has both the best cleave in the game for farming AND a steroid that doubles his damage at only level 6. No other hero even comes close to that. He can kill stacks extremely early into the game.