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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Terathiel » February 8, 2016 7:10am | Report

Tera, you need to surrender your TB title to me. If you don't even consider him as Tier1.
Shame.


I think CK can also be grouped with the likes of TB and Morph. In fact he can wreck each of them given hes 6 slotted with ulti. Many members have assented to the possibility of CK being unstoppable if 6 slotted..


On to the void part. I would really like to know why you say he got buffed. Enlighten me, no sarcasm.


Well, he fares well against the tier 1s because he directly counters Spectre and can rat Medusa into oblivion, but he simply doesn't outcarry them in a vacuum. While a 6-slotted CK is a powerhouse, when is he ever 6 slotted? Something to consider is how farmed can these heroes reasonably get, and CK is unlikely to pass 4 slots. Also remember I'm not talking about perfect fights when judging this, I'm referring to split pushing, downtime/uptime, and a bunch of other factors.

Void's buff as I see it was that Time Walk has a bigger lategame impact than Backtrack did, because it's hard to burst you down, and you just recover the burst that they did. In addition, you got what amounted to a free Time Dilation which is a damn good ability to let you wail on people. You no longer have to burst down enemies because you keep healing and cooldown freezing, which means your low-ish DPS isn't as big an issue as you still manfight to a standstill.
That said, I would like to see Void get some DPS buff.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by michimatsch » February 8, 2016 9:38am | Report
Err Tera I am confused...do these Tier mean how hard a carry actually carries. Lists like that aren't really useful tbh because it always depends on the circumstances (in some games Chaos Knight carrys way harder than a Medusa but only in some).
KCAF I think that Terathiel is right (at least if I got the list right). Terrorblade (assuming the farming build) can farm incredibly farm but he will definetely fall off against Medusa or Spectre or void because he doesn't scale as good as them (not that powerful in teamwiping aspects, tankiness, solokill...) which means he still scales incredibly hard but he stops at one point.
Usually TB would just farm a few items and then unleash his power upon the enemy team while the poor enemy Spectre still only has her Boots of Speed and a Radiance.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » February 8, 2016 10:04am | Report
Who goes Boots into Radiance on Spectre this patch? Forget about this hero being a hardcarry, same with Void. Literally the only reason people play her is easy Haunt killsteals. They get early game items like Urn and Drums and then top it off with Diffusal and finish the game because outside of laning stage this hero is a monster when built accordingly.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/91735466/matches?hero=spectre

Look at this ****, 34 min avg match duration. 62% total winrate for last 3 months and 30% winrate in 50+ min matches. If you see a guy go Boots -> Radiance in 6.86, just report him. Seriously, that's like Eblade-Dagon Riki or Radiance Bloodseeker - a gameruin build.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Lofy » February 8, 2016 12:02pm | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

Who goes Boots into Radiance on Spectre this patch? Forget about this hero being a hardcarry, same with Void. Literally the only reason people play her is easy Haunt killsteals. They get early game items like Urn and Drums and then top it off with Diffusal and finish the game because outside of laning stage this hero is a monster when built accordingly.


Hm, instead of farming creeps she's farming assists doesn't think that makes her any less of a hard carry. :) Her potential is not realy limited by that. If the game goes long enough to have skadi, satanic and so on... She's just as strong. And maybe u can go still late radiance...

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » February 8, 2016 1:37pm | Report
If the game goes late and you build around Dispersion, any enemy core(or even support by that time) buys a Silver Edge and makes you a useless 3000 HP creep. If you don't build around Dispersion then you're not a hardcarry since it is the primary source of her carry potential.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by michimatsch » February 8, 2016 1:43pm | Report
Guys...you are going offtopic again...this was an interesting thread and you are just arguing over things that have nothing to do with it. Neither Spectre's build (which would be ******ed indeed but was just an amount of gold) nor Silver Edge have something to do with this thread. Open up a new thread and we can discuss about it.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » February 8, 2016 2:01pm | Report
Spectre is a carry.
This is a thread about best carries in this patch.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Blubbles » February 8, 2016 5:46pm | Report
Best Carry is AA:

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2138613074

Just kidding that only situational.

Hard Carries:
Anti-Mage
Spectre
Medusa
Void, Yes Void
Morphling
Alchemist
Lone Druid

And Recently:
Arc Warden
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sp3ctr3 » February 8, 2016 10:02pm | Report
What about Phantom Assassin, Juggernaut, Razor, Phantom Lancer, those old school carries (or semicarries or the name you want to put them) Are they trash now? I think Juggernaut deserves a mention at least.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by zlblack77 » February 12, 2016 9:15am | Report
TY for all commend and give me all your thinking.It good knowledges for me.

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