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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » March 3, 2015 3:47pm | Report
Smuggels wrote:

TA - orb of venom ... win lane


Doesn't work. Damage is too low so Refraction ignores it completely (5 damage minimum).
Only way to itemize against Refraction is Radiance or Manta Style AFAIK.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » March 3, 2015 3:51pm | Report
Smuggels wrote:

TA - orb of venom ... win lane

R U SIRIUS M8

Besides, TA wins lane not that much because of Refraction, but rather because of Psi Blades.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » March 3, 2015 4:06pm | Report
Well...most of TA's lane presence is still about Refraction, otherwise she gets out-harassed easily since she's just a glorified melee hero.

However playing a lot of 1v1 mid I realized that she actually does realy well against a lot of heroes who should normally counter Refraction.
Ember Spirit, Pudge, Huskar, Slark...they're actually fairly easy matchups for TA. Generally TA beats any hero with short range damage over time abilities since in those cases she can just max Meld first and destroy them in a manfight. Her only problem is long-range DoT harassment like Viper or Queen of Pain that shuts her down completely.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » March 3, 2015 5:02pm | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

Well...most of TA's lane presence is still about Refraction, otherwise she gets out-harassed easily since she's just a glorified melee hero.

However playing a lot of 1v1 mid I realized that she actually does realy well against a lot of heroes who should normally counter Refraction.
Ember Spirit, Pudge, Huskar, Slark...they're actually fairly easy matchups for TA. Generally TA beats any hero with short range damage over time abilities since in those cases she can just max Meld first and destroy them in a manfight. Her only problem is long-range DoT harassment like Viper or Queen of Pain that shuts her down completely.


Ember Spirit is a pretty even lane irrc. TA should be stronger, and is in early levels, but it reaches a point where the Ember Spirit just latches onto you and kills you when you over-extend. It's a fun match-up to watch for sure, because it's very much down to player performance.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KoDyAbAbA » March 3, 2015 5:37pm | Report
ultimate TA counter = snipur

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by SeveNthSense » March 3, 2015 6:13pm | Report
Doesn't Venomancer counter TA hard too. At least once you get levels in plague ward

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Seagull » March 3, 2015 6:44pm | Report
Sanvitch wrote:



Ember Spirit is a pretty even lane irrc. TA should be stronger, and is in early levels, but it reaches a point where the Ember Spirit just latches onto you and kills you when you over-extend. It's a fun match-up to watch for sure, because it's very much down to player performance.

Yeah maybe, but if the TA goes for a Meld build, she'll just punch a third of ember's hp away and just kills him if he's not careful. Also TA should win the lasthit game pretty convincingly.

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Well...most of TA's lane presence is still about Refraction, otherwise she gets out-harassed easily since she's just a glorified melee hero.

However playing a lot of 1v1 mid I realized that she actually does realy well against a lot of heroes who should normally counter Refraction.
Ember Spirit, Pudge, Huskar, Slark...they're actually fairly easy matchups for TA. Generally TA beats any hero with short range damage over time abilities since in those cases she can just max Meld first and destroy them in a manfight. Her only problem is long-range DoT harassment like Viper or Queen of Pain that shuts her down completely.

Don't forget that Refraction also gives a ton of damage so she'll win almost any hero in cs.

About QoP, this is the ultimate mind game, if QoP doesn't fake Shadow Strike, you can just meld-dodge it. If she fakes it, you can leave the meld until the projectile is mid-air. Or you can just get outplayed 8{3

Hardest TA lane-counters are probably, Sniper, Viper and Venomancer (if the name ends with -er you're doing fine Kappa). Not only because they have DoT, but they also win the hit trade. They both can exploit TA's low range and can solo-kill her if she walks up to the creeps with their slows. Don't forget that TA is a really easy kill pre-lvl6 because she has no slow, stun or escape and she is quite squishy.

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About Ember Spirit...I honestly think TA can reliably win this. She'll win in terms on CS easily with her bonus damage. The only way for Ember to win is to play aggressive and go for a kill. You don't have to go aggressive as TA, just look to outfarm and punish him if he goes aggressive.
Max Meld to lvl 4 ASAP. Two points in Refraction maximum. When Ember pops Flame Guard and starts walking forward, just hit him with Meld and trade hits. Ember can't use Searing Chains because you're next to your creeps. TA's physical damage with a max Meld is far more than the DoT from Flame Guard alone. Ember has to back off. So you pretty much zone him away from the creeps all the time. You can't kill him, but he can't get CS.

Yes, Viper and Venomancer destroy her in lane. Not only do they have damage over time from a long range, but they can also kite her indefinitely with slows. TA can't do ****.

outworld devourer is also pretty good against her. Good luck casting Refraction with your 13 max mana.

Sniper...is this a joke? TA rapes him in lane. If you asked me for a mid counter to Sniper I'd put TA in my top 5 just after Broodmother, Queen of Pain and other autowin matchups. Shrapnel is only 1 instance per second, which means she can just walk out of it after getting the denies and still have charges. Sniper has no chance of killing her since she can just use Refraction to block Assassinate, And when TA hits 6...I'm just going to censor what I was going to say, there are children reading :)
Let's just say when TA hits 6 it's literally lay trap, dive tower, kill Sniper, rinse and repeat. And then you get 8 minute Blink Dagger which makes Sniper unplayable for the rest of the game. GG.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Smuggels » March 4, 2015 12:33am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

Doesn't work. Damage is too low so Refraction ignores it completely (5 damage minimum).
Only way to itemize against Refraction is Radiance or Manta Style AFAIK.



WHEN THE **** DID THEY CHANGE THAT?

FML

also

ember pick is correct with skill.

a good ember players knows when to use what and what build to go.

when playing against a TA, you max sleight of fist and searing chains.

why you ask?

because during SoF your invulnerable... as soon as she pops outs meld you SoF and dodge her projectile then hey ... guess what .... dead TA....

also you dont max shield because she's all physical damage but you need the ticks to burn refraction so one point at level 2 is needed .... sooo basically initiate with remnant with shield on then she will most likely meld then when she pops out you SoF to dodge .... then you WAIT till refection is gone ....THEN you searing chains.... Never open with searing chains you lose all your burst damage.

thats how to win mid vs TA

I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL.... WITH FLUFFY BUNNIES


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by kkoopman3 » March 4, 2015 12:43am | Report
When you weren't paying attention, like they always do

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