Lineups: Need some help!

Weaver isnt a soli offlaner. ;_;
Not outside of low pubs against ****ty duallanes anyway.

Well the thing is, what is a 4 protect 1 anyway? A team with 1 carry? And where is the border between 4p1 and not 4p1? Is any team that runs a defensive trilane carry safelane and not a carry mid a 4p1?

Imo the meta and strongest way to play is with dynamic lanes anyway, so right now you can call any team with 1 carry and without good roamers that will mostly stay in a trilane apart from rotating to help the mid or offlaner a 4p1.
Nowadays people mostly call the more greedy strats 4 make space for 1 anyway.

So something with supports like visage, naga, disruptor.
A carry like AM, terrorblade, or anything thats a carry who is strong around 30+ min.
A mid who can compensate earlygame like brewmaster or get pickoff like windranger or something like that.

B-b-but Timi !!!!
WASNT WEAVER FOR PREDADENT???

Seriously, her Geminate Attack can give reliable cs and only a dual stun or setup stun lane can outlane her. but so then every offlaner gets outlaned.
Why isnt she good?

Because a Weaver does nothing without farm: if you can't afford a fast Linken's or BKB, you'll never get enough damage to be relevant in the mid game. An offlane Weaver is as good as an offlane Spectre, except the former has a higher solo killing potential and can win the lane versus a pub dual lane.

Yeah, i feel if you cant get 30 cs on her in 10 minutes of offlane, your s****ed.
But then i never i never had any problems with her in pubs. But in pro scene, where would she lane? Mid sounds nice for her but i think for safe lane, there are better contenders.

Well like i said it can be good in pubs, and i played it a lot when i never had to play against trilanes and strong duallanes.

Offlaning is not just about survivin, its about being usefull with a limited amount of farm. Weaver does nothing without farm.

Both of them are 1 position farmers in the pro scene. So both usually go safe lane. (Even if you run aggro tri, in a tri vs tri situation, Weaver can do either the tri-lane, or go 1 on 1 with the offlaner).

Both are kinda meh mids. Spectre is an awful laner, and not something you'd want against a competent mid, because she'd just get harrassed out. And Weaver, whilst ellusive, is extremely squishy, and can only safely harrass with Geminate Attack, since using Shukuchi to harrass can quite easily backfire.

Weaver is good in the safe lane however, because she's elusive, and thus can survive rotations against her (More so than other carry's assuming you get caught off guard), has fantastic early solo-kill potential due to being able to dive (Which makes her a strong laner), and she's a decent mid-late game carry. Whilst there may be stronger carry's on paper, Weaver is incredibly strong when there's relatively little hard CC. And when you can't lock a Weaver down, she's one of the best cores for that situation, because she can snowball hard.

I don't think Weaver is a good 1 for 4 protect 1 however. It's generally not snowballing carry's who form the 1 there.

HE.

WEAVER IS A HE.

JEBUS PEOPLE.

4p 1?

impact supports.

omni
earth
jakiro
ogre

push/burst/mobile mid

magnus
Qop
storm
dp
puck

tanky/cc heavy/utility offlaner

et
cent
slark (Situational)
Np (Situational)
clock

huge 4p1 offlaner is tide btw....so stronk.


in a 4 p 1 ...having a jungler is a bit risky... u need a strong safelane trilane

then as hard carry i prefer

spec
med
or tb.
fv can work in some
and so can a ****ing fed as **** ember luna alche

and with the new patch

CK (this is ****ing broken i ****ing SWEAR!!)

when drafting a 4p1

you have to look at three things

1. lane strengths
- your lanes need to be supremely strong.
- your lanes need to have high impact to greed ratio.
2. mid game
- you need heroes that can fight as 4
- you need heroes that can take towers as 4
3. late game
- you need a hero that can 5v1 late game,
- you need heroes that still have use late game.

ET and Tide work.
Ogre is still super strong btw.
QoP is stupid strong now.

Don't feel like it, too sleepy. Already gave a brief explanation and if that's not enough to tell why your comp won't work as a 4p1 strat then play more so you can understand what I'm saying. Or another member can go into detail and pick out specifically why the heroes you've chosen would not work.