6.87 Discussion Thread

It's only a 5s cooldown. Core Sky will also naturally build into Octarine Core so he gets more value from that. Plus the increase spell damage due to INT means a semi decent amount on him. Veil nerf hurts a little but still.

Whilst yes, he no longer can spam them as frequently, his alt now works as a really long duration defacto area denial. Which is relevant because of engagements in choke points, or even just screwing with positioning.

So I don't think he's strictly worse as a core. It does mean that the support has a slightly better build up now after Veil first item. Which is nice.

Hurricane Lance sounds kinda scary for melee cores surely? It's an okay state item, with a fairly nice build up that makes kiting melee heroes as a ranged core even easier than normal. (Since you can create 1300 effective range from using it on an enemy).

EDIT; Also if yo TP, or are sent back to base you can still right click the target with it. Plus other force staffs and mobility. Item is starting to sound silly.

I'm not saying this is op or anything, I just found it reeeeally weird and very surprising to bump an ability duration so much at once. With a Chronosphere or any kind of long stun (Mirana's arrow / spear for instance) I firmly believe this can rekt the **** outta people.

Core Skywrath's late game was all about Scythe of Vyse into multiple Mystic Flares. The whole point of core Sky was that he could set up his ult himself, while support Sky relies on setup from his team.
There was no place for veil on core sky, ever. Core sky was typically Atos into sheep into aghs, with the situational mobility items and ghost/BKB.
Essentially core sky could sheep a guy and blow him up from full HP 100%, of course regardless of whether the guy had BKB up or not because sheeps can't use BKB. He can no longer do that. So core Sky has officially no late game now.

Area denial...that would work if it wasn't a 170 radius...compare with Macropyre for example, Jakiro ult is supposed to be true area denial yet it's widely considered UP and is getting buffed constantly.

So yeah Sky = niche support after a Void/LC/Mirana/whatever setup pick.

It'll be interesting to see. Ok lack of dagger will hurt if you can't get a decent Agh's timing, but being able to start with a Point Booster probably lets you skip Arcane Boots, and his Aghs has the interesting side effect of working as an escape since it won't be cancelled by damage (AFAIK) and being able to spam it every 5 seconds makes for a very mobile hero. Depending on the animation it might be stoppable by stuns?

I want to coin the phrase 'Pogo-Shaker'



It's still a shed load of damage if you can get any kind of setup from your team - add the likes of Disruptor and Magnus to your list. Ok, it's unlikely to keep anyone in the AOE for the duration, but it has serious potential.

Also want to add my vote to the new 'Age of Slark' meta. He was already strong in both pubs and competitive, the changes here would seem to help him even further.

Drow Ranger, Sniper and Enchantress would seem to be the most obvious Hurricane Lance carriers.

Well Earthshaker is blink into aghs. Don't think there is any question here.

The real question is how Echo Sabre works with procs. Like, do you get double Enchant Totem with it? Why do you get double Shadow Blade proc? Are there some other procs that you can abuse with it?

Still can't belive Kyphoid actually changed the int thingy. This will be interesting to see.
But this basically buffs all dmg of skills, right?
Poor Safecyn in his Math Corner.

Ags isn't instant initiation though, which matters against BKB. So you still need blink

We math lovers take it as a challenge and draw tremendous amounts of inspiration from complexity.

All i can foresee is moar math corner stuff with greater motivation.
His poor ogre tho.

not really, it was always blink into force staff into a situational item like veil or shivas or euls or shadow blade THEN aghs even then it was a maybe after that because your heading into late late game and octarine or refresher is needed more. but NOW i feel its defs third item after forcestaff, its just too good to be able to initiate from over 3000 units away.

echo sabre is really weird like it procs sb and silver edge twice and he does the same for a few others but anything that is a spell buff only sometimes works?

btw gyro echo sabre aghs is HILARIOUS

Well I was talking about 6.87 ES obviously. Blink/aghs is the best build in *this* patch :)
Of course in 6.86 and before aghs on ES pretty much didn't exist unless you were playing against PL or Meepo, and standard ES build was blink/force.
...that's why it's such a big buff to the hero btw. Turning an almost useless aghs into such a good one.




"only sometimes"? Oh god...sounds 6.87b is not far away :)
Seriously someone needs to make a compilation of what works and what doesn't.



Echo Sabre doesn't work on ranged heroes?