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Windrunner changes in 6.86

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Was WR...
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Nerfed?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » December 19, 2015 1:19am | Report
I understand that, but do you really think that this "buff" for Crit and "nerf" for MKB will even decide anything? MKB will always be a better DPS item against evasion(so better almost very game now), probably even if Crit gets buffed to like 3x crit with a 30% chance(60% increase in DPS).

My point is, literally every righclick DPS item brings utility. Crit only brings damage to the table. You've got to change something about Crit, not the numbers, but maybe buildup, side effect etc. so you can actually pick it up situationally rather than not picking up at all, except for some chosen heroes.

It's funny how being the most universal DPS item in the game, Crit is one of the least popular.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by The Frosto » December 19, 2015 1:31am | Report
Well I think the shackle nerf makes it more difficult for windranger to snowball and because she is a slow farmer getting a basher is harder. So if you find the kills she got buffed but it is a bit harder, what was neccesary.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » December 19, 2015 2:12am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:



It's the eternal MKB versus crit choice. But OSFrog introduced a lot of evasion in the game recently so MKB was always better than crit in the latest patches. So he's compensating for that.
And that's making evasion even more annoying to deal with.



I understand your concerns, "Kyfrog". Enlightenment is the natural enemy of trollkin, who thrive on ignorance.
Maybe I could be bribed to join the dark side, for a sensible price. I could prove to be a valuable ally :)

Tell me what price can you put on utility?
Without it, you lose. no doubts about it.


And when yoy talk of abyssal or mkb the bash/overwhelm/true strike is invaluable. It is the way i am saying that utility items need more incentive to be taken up. They need to be taken up strictly for The utility not for the fact "oh hey
MKB has true strike a mini bash and its good 88 damage incentive lets just pick it up."
Remember when you people ranted on how these days mkb over daedalus is almost a no brainer?
Well i just made it difficult.

Gah , you made me say it and simplify it.


On your proposal let me ask you the same question:can you ever value the utility that you bring in to dotka fire? If you can , are you doing it justice by valuing it?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » December 19, 2015 2:17am | Report
You didn't. MKB over Daedalus is still a no-brainer now and this RNG tweak didn't change anything at all.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » December 19, 2015 2:24am | Report
"Changed" would probably be the best summary. The Shackleshot changes are welcome, less wrong looking shackles landing, and get rid of horrific undisjointable BS - you blink away as she appears and the damned thing chases you and inevitably latches at some ridiculous angle, good bye, good riddance, you will not be missed.

Other changes are slight buffs, mostly the item stuff people are already discussing. Bigger bashes = moar damage when you have huge attack speed.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 19, 2015 2:29am | Report
Yep, MKB is still almost always better early instead of crit. Actually if you want to play safe a casual Demon Edge is the best way to go and upgrade it later once the evasion items have come up (or not).
Crit is still an amazing late game item. A lot of heroes can go MKB *and* crit.

The only thing you did Kyfroid is nerf Medusa, Luna, Sven and friends. Because you can't cleave off MKB damage now. Actually Sven got nerfed a lot because MKB and abyssal both lost quite a bit of cleave and both are core on the hero as far as I'm concerned.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » December 19, 2015 3:49am | Report
Dimonychan wrote:

You didn't. MKB over Daedalus is still a no-brainer now and this RNG tweak didn't change anything at all.

And zat iz y i maek ze changiss.

Seriously, jUST wait mate. Changes are supposed to happen in steps so i can assess eqch step of change with its impact and roll out the next step or a modified step accordingly.

MKB vs Daedalus debate is to be taken in this way-
Do you want the damage or the truestrike/ overwhelm?

Sven is being given other ways to expand where his carry points are being balanced. By all means get a daedalus to maximize gods strength potential but be wary that you will need teamplay and setup even more than what was required previously. Actually he will crit more often given good attack speed items. And i dont want the game to go tiwards no brain rampages.

The game is progressing for whats good for it. That is team play and not right click. I intend even though magic falls a bit into late, utility should remain strong and possibly take over right click. Am warning you here and now of the theme to come. Dont come ranting in future when it happens cause u have been warned.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Dimonychan » December 19, 2015 5:22am | Report
Your way of "changes in steps" gave us 6.83 Lina, 6.84 Leshrac and 6.85 Windranger.

Will Crit be the new "rush after brown boots every game" item in 6.88/89 xD?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by michimatsch » December 19, 2015 7:26am | Report
Then we would reach the level of League of Dungeons (aka Lack of Lesbians) or ...fall down to it.
Which this guy wouldn't let happen.

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