Radiance as a damage item

So what you're saying is, Radiance is only good on select cheap heroes and Spectre.



I think you're seriously undervaluing the item. Radiance is a potential boon on tank heroes because it forces enemies to attack/focus them. Sure, it costs a lot of gold, but it can be afforded by #2-3 tanks as a luxury item after the core items have been bought and he is already tanky enough.

Before you compare Radiance and Mjollnir, I'd like to point out that Radiance makes enemies focus you while Mjollnir is a deterant. 2 different items for different styles of play. You don't wanna die as Wraith King? Sure. But I'd like everyone to focus and kill me first so my Reincarnate pops, sort of like a counter initiation so my team can swoop in and kill. Your style is the auto-attack carry, my style is the annoying tank that keep coming back, but both styles have their perks and Radiance really isn't outclassed at all by Mjollnir.

This is a Radiance thread and I haven't seen a single Lone Druid.

EDIT: Nvm, Hamster did. :D

Ok, this is my problem with wraith king radiance.
1: you have to farm for a long time just do do anything, you cant contribute anything in the early game apart from a stun, so joining teamfights is not really an option. If not everything goes ideal then an 18 min radiance without any stat items is very realistic.
And once you commit to it, you have to finish it, yiu cant switch to an early fighting build after getting a relic, with the mjollnir build you can go maelstrom ino blink for instance.
2: what the item provides besides the burn damage is very little. 65 damage, without any attack speed is very little DPS. A wraith king with just a mjollnir and basher can manfight an lock down a lot of carries with his DPS, massive lifesteal and crits.
3: radiance damage only keeps getting worse, while mjollnir scales with attack speed and HP.
Besides, id rather start chopping away instead of slowly killing a 1500 HP target in 40 seconds....
4: you are not going to stop any initiations with radiance burn, it has 700 range and takes a second to start damaging, so if an enemy has 350 ms he can potentially walk into 350 range before he cant blink anymore. It will only stop blinking out on enemies who have a faster MS then you.

Radiance wraith king has a short period where you cant ignore him, mjollnir wraith king is better earlygame, is more versatile, and better after 25 minutes.

In still going to say mjollnir outclasses radiance on wraith king. It ****s over the buildup, makes you weaker both early and later in the game.

1)Have you heard of Blade Mail and Drum of Endurance? Wraith King just wrecks early-mid teamfights with these items and he has no problem getting this 3800 gold chunk with teamfight gold and farming(he farms fast enough with crits, Quelling Blade and Mortal Strilke give +71% of average dmg to creeps).

2)Mjollnir and basher fun ends when you are stunned, [{Radiance]] will still burn, and you really underestimate it, the damage is huge becaue Wraith King starts the fight and in most cases stays there until the end. With Radiance, Blade Mail and Drun of Endurance he still has terrific damage output as practice shows - his crit is just that good.

3)If you apporoach it that way(more AS->more lightnings->more damage yada yada), Radicane also scales with Wraith King getting more and more hitpoints.

1. I don't know what you're talking about. I go Hand of Midas into Blademail and still get Radiance at 20 minutes if my team doesn't screw up bad. AND I can still fight in small skirmishes early on before the Radiance. Even in games where I get a 10 minute Hand of Midas without boots due to a hard lane, I can still get a 25 minutes Radiance with little to no kills.

2. I mentioned it in my previous post, both items are different in a sense. Besides, you can still destroy anyone with crazy criticals, considering that level 4 Mortal Strike is basically an only slightly-gimped level 2 Coup de Grace. Also, Radiance is more useful when you're stunlocked and in situations where enemies could have blinked away from you.

3. Radiance scales with attack speed (since it is a damage item) and HP. Your argument is invalid. And does buying Radiance disarm Wraith King? Because the way you phrased your argument seems like it's the case.

4. Thing is, you WANT to be initiated on if you go the Radiance build, AKA the "Annoying Tank" strat. If they initiate on and focus you till you "die", it serves as a sort of diversion and counter-initiation for your team. Then you resurrect and rek face. And you can still buy Blink Dagger after/before Radiance to help you chase better.


And I'm not even gonna mention how the Mjollnir buff will risk you getting stunlocked and ignored while the enemy team destroys your teammates, while with Radiance, you'll annoy 90% of enemies (100% if they have blinks) and they'll focus you while your squishy team does their magic. Oh wait, I just did.


EDIT:
You can tell if someone is biased if he completely rejects an idea without stating any of its merits *subtly suggests that Tim's post was far from objective*

Ok boys here's another one.

Radiance on Night Stalker.

Before you report me for buying a farming item on a ganker, hear that : you don't buy it as a farming item, you buy it as the ultimate snowball item.

NS is one of these heroes who can do ridiculously well in the early game, right? So in the first 4 minutes of the game you farmed your Bottle, your plain boots, and your urn or something. Then at 4 minutes you went on a ganking spree and got 6 kills. That's 6*300 = 1800 gold that instantly lands in your pocked PLUS the gold you got from creeps (let's say 10 creeps = 500 gold). So that's 2300 instant gold you have at 8 minutes. Then until 12 minutes you go back to farming so let's say 20 more creeps for you for 1000 gold. Besides you gain a basic income of 100 gold per minute so that's 1200 gold in 12 minutes as well. So at the 12 minute mark with a good early game you're sitting on 4500 gold. So get that Sacred Relic :)

Essentially a NS who's doing well in the early game with ganks (as the hero usually does) can get a 16 minute Radiance and all while being active on the map and never being AFK farm.

And NS can use radiance really well because he's always at max movement speed so he can keep heroes in the aura all the time. Besides he doesn't really need items to be a successful ganker in the early game, he only needs items to stay relevant later in the game. Some people go Hand of Midas on him, but I absolutely despise that build because it's a pure farming item that brings nothing to fights on a hero who's not a farmer. Instead with a radiance you get some really good teamfight presence on a hero who's normally weak in teamfights, and you can use the advantage you got from a good early game by 5-manning and pushing towers (radiance is awesome for that).

It's purely for the faster lvl11 and 16. You buy it so you spend less time farming and more time fighting in the early game. I'm not a fan of it either though tbh.

Gankers don't need a midas for levels. 1 hero kill = 1 level :)

For the "spend less time farming and more time fighting"...that's a great argument for "assassin" carries like Morphling (midas into Eblade), Chaos Knight (midas into armlet) or Clinkz (midas into orchid, deso or whatever), or even Spectre (midas into balling stuff like diffu manta). But that's because you want to get tons of farm on your carry while you're roaming for kills. NS doesn't really work that way.

Issue with midas is that it brings literally nothing to fights, unlike a Maelstrom or a Radiance who are both really good in teamfights. That's why I'd prefer the other farming items on NS who's fighting all the time.

Oh well, it's not fun arguing with someone who doesn't want to engage in a meaningful discussion anyway. Peace out and enjoy being right all the time, I guess.