Random PA Rework

Feels a bit underpowered. The idea of marking a target for killing is really good, and giving bonuses for the rest of the teamfight if she manages to actually get the marked guy is also good. It's just, if she does kill him, all she gets is...her old crit, tweaked a bit?

Essentially I'd like some more bonuses in that case, and a longer duration.

I actually made my own rework that involves refreshing the cooldowns of her Q and W if she gets a kill, for a short duration. I'll post it shortly with my version of 6.87 "balance" patch. Personally I really like the idea of being able to kill several heroes in a rapid succession and not just one every 6 seconds.

Also Bunkan, don't forget that if her new ult gets kited (e.g Ghost Scepter, Glimmer Cape, escape skills etc), and she can't kill the marked target, then your new PA has no crit. At all. That's also pretty UP.




Also, this. Besides, this discussion is off topic, since the topic isn't even about how to buff PA back to playable tier, but on rework ideas.

True, so mb "OMG THAT ARGUMENT AGAIN I'M SO TIRED OF IT YET I MENTION IT WHENEVER I SEE SILVER EDGE AND PA IN ONE SENTENCE" isn't the right way to forget about it? Just a thought.

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Yeah I agree with everything you said. Her current ult is really unreliable I think so the new crit is more reliable, but that being said it's not guaranteed you'll even manage to get it. I changed a couple of other things in some notes I typed, made Stifling Dagger deal 50/100/150/200 damage and removed the 50% reduction to heroes, but it also can't crit anymore, (increased manacost and cooldown on her Q as well so she doesn't have a 15 manacost 200 pure damage nuke) which was supposed to be a change alongside this rework so she doesn't lose her passive damage on her ult without any compensation.

I basically just wanted to change her ult from "mediocre crit which sometimes does damage and sometimes never procs at all" to something that could be more reliable I guess, but as you said, you're not guaranteed the buff anyway so it could potentially be worse.

Maybe some extra sideline benefits other than the crit chance, maybe she gains some attack speed for the duration, or the miss chance for Blur is increased or something, to make it more rewarding for killing your target.

Thank you for the comment!

-Bunkansee

The thing with PA is that the hero's design just... sucks. You either get lucky and do what you're supposed to, or don't get lucky and are completely useless. Or get very lucky and win the game through RNG. It's boring. I've no problems with the hero being a pseudo-hard carry or however you want to play her, but she needs a pretty hefty rework. Perhaps...

Stifling Dagger
Cooldown increased to 10 seconds, otherwise unchanged.

Phantom Strike
Cooldown increased to 10 seconds.
No longer grants bonus attack speed, instead locks PA onto her target, phasing her inside them for the duration and moving her with them (can be cancelled with a movement order). Grants 10/15/20/25 bonus damage to her next 4 attacks. This damage can crit.

Blur
Completely reworked. Is now an active with a 3 second cooldown that, when used, will cause PA to dodge the next spell or attack directed at her. Passive minimap removal remains.

Coup de Grace
Chance increased to 20%, but critical damage reduced to 200%/275%/350%.
Whenever PA crits, resets the cooldown on all of her abilities.

PLs no...my poor keyboard.

PA needs a good agh's upgrade.

I mean, her entire skill set screams "EARLY GAME CARRY FALLS OFF LATGAME GO KILL OTHER PEOPLE IN THE FIRST 20 MINS AAAAAHH"

She only really needs a BKB, then maybe some damage items.

Agh's upgrade: Coup De Grace has a new active component.

PA will create a phantom of every enemy hero within 900 range. These phantoms cannot move and cannot attack. They take 300% damage, and 10/20/30% (?) of the damage dealt to these phantoms will be dealt to the enemy that it is a phantom of.

After killing the phantom, PA is granted vision of the original enemy. (Additional effects here?)

PA has no place for Aghs. She needs damage items otherwise she hits like a declawed kitten. The current issue right now with the basher/abyssal and MKB nerfs is, even *with* damage items she hits like a rhumatistic poodle.

Well, what I'm trying to say is that she needs an aghs that gives her damage. I tried it one way, maybe OSFrog can find another.

I agree, and I also like that Blur. Sticking to her lore, increasing her late game potential, and removing her RNG aspects, this is how I would rework her:

Stifling Dagger:
PA throws a dagger at an enemy, turning her next attack on that target from physical damage to pure damage.

Manacost: 50/40/30/20
Cooldown: 15

Phantom Strike:
PA blinks to her target. If an enemy, she is guaranteed a critical strike.

Crit Damage: 150/175/200/225%
Cooldown: 15
Manacost: 75

Blur:
Becomes an active, that will cause PA to dodge the next spell or attack directed at her. After she dodges she will strike out and attack all enemies within melee range in an area in front of her. If there are no enemies the animation is skipped completely

Cooldown: 10
Cost: 8/6/4% of maximum HP
Attack Area: 45 degree cone

Coup de Grace:
Every time that an enemy loses a percentage of their max HP within an area around PA, her cool downs are reset. Passively removes minimap icon.

HP Lost for Reset: 30/25/20%
Search Radius: 200

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Im afraid this is horribly OP, what do you think needs tweaking? Also possible agh's upgrade that removes half of the manacost from her abilities?

The build I would use with this kit is:
1-4-2-1

Hey, it wouldn't be too bad in terms of button-spamming. The skill cap would go through the roof. Plus, it fits the fantasy of a ninja assassin, dashing around and dodging everything. It's also reliant on you going all in - as long as you're hitting and critting, you're staying alive.