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Forum » General Discussion » Naga is officially the best lategame hero. 29 posts - page 1 of 3
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » July 13, 2014 3:36pm | Report
If you pick an insanely greedy lineup with, invoker, meepo, puck and doom, and STILL cant beat radiance naga, then all the discussion is over. In not talking about specific lineups but she is the ****.

If you dont know what im talking about, it was game one of C9 vs DK, with an unstoppable naga.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » July 13, 2014 3:55pm | Report
Timminatorr wrote:

If you pick an insanely greedy lineup with, invoker, meepo, puck and doom, and STILL cant beat radiance naga, then all the discussion is over. In not talking about specific lineups but she is the ****.

If you dont know what im talking about, it was game one of C9 vs DK, with an unstoppable naga.


Again, it's opinionated. I saw the match you were talking about, but some people like her, some don't. Also, any hero (carry specifically) is unbeatable providing they got more farm than you. Get bad farm? You're not likely to go very far.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Krwiozerca » July 13, 2014 8:07pm | Report
Well, Song of the Siren is a pure team-fight ultimate, during which you cannot hit enemy units that are not magic immune. I consider this ultimate a great positioning ability, which is useful for whole team. It gives time to set things up for supports and other cores.

What does Naga Siren have? Not the best illusions in game, Ensnare that goes through magic immunity, armor reduction skill and mentioned ultimate.

She can farm very fast, but can she outcarry Spectre in very late game (both 6 slotted)? In 1 vs. 1 situation I would bet my balls on Spectre any time.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Terathiel » July 13, 2014 11:40pm | Report
Naga is by no means the best lategame hero. Not by a long shot. She's outclassed by Void, Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade, Lone Druid, probably Morphling, Anti-Mage, and Alchemist, definitely by Chaos Knight, Cancer Lancer, Gyrocopter, Tiny, and maybe even Troll. She is a hard carry and an absolute powerhouse lategame, but she isn't the hardest by far - she's like #12 or #13.

The team that got beaten by her had no harder carries. Of course Naga will wreak havoc on them lategame.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Terathiel » July 13, 2014 11:40pm | Report
Naga is by no means the best lategame hero. Not by a long shot. She's outclassed by Void, Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade, Lone Druid, probably Morphling, Anti-Mage, and Alchemist, definitely by Chaos Knight, Cancer Lancer, Gyrocopter, Tiny, and maybe even Troll. She is a hard carry and an absolute powerhouse lategame, but she isn't the hardest by far - she's like #12 or #13.

The team that got beaten by her had no harder carries. Of course Naga will wreak havoc on them lategame.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Seagull » July 14, 2014 12:59am | Report
Terathiel wrote:

Naga is by no means the best lategame hero. Not by a long shot. She's outclassed by Void, Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade, Lone Druid, probably Morphling, Anti-Mage, and Alchemist, definitely by Chaos Knight, Cancer Lancer, Gyrocopter, Tiny, and maybe even Troll. She is a hard carry and an absolute powerhouse lategame, but she isn't the hardest by far - she's like #12 or #13.

The team that got beaten by her had no harder carries. Of course Naga will wreak havoc on them lategame.

The thing is, Cloud 9 had FIVE heroes that can really benefit from farm. And for a game that goes for 70 minutes, they surely got farm. So, I at least would expect a four-core lineup to have the edge when the game goes that late.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » July 14, 2014 1:39am | Report
I don't usually like to just say "that's so OP", but frankly Naga Siren is a really abusable hero. It's not that she can beat other carries in a straight fight, so much as she massively dictates the time and place of it.

Those Radiance illusions give you huge map control and can easily stop pushes by simply intercepting the creep waves that the enemy team need to avoid backdoor protection. Song of the Siren is not only great for teamfight control and setup, it's also perfect for ratting.

Basically, she doesn't need to beat you in a straight fight, she'll simply never let you have one in those kinds of situations. Death by slow strangulation and ratting. Lame, boring and effective.

I'm very glad Alliance got knocked out, yes, their style takes considerable skill to do properly, but my god it's hideously boring to watch or play against.

So yes, I really hope they do something to nerf Naga Siren, she's the worst of the lame *** illusion pushers. Although frankly I think it's the illusions that are the problem rather than the specific hero.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » July 14, 2014 2:50am | Report
Terathiel wrote:

Naga is by no means the best lategame hero. Not by a long shot. She's outclassed by Void, Medusa, Spectre, Terrorblade, Lone Druid, probably Morphling, Anti-Mage, and Alchemist, definitely by Chaos Knight, Cancer Lancer, Gyrocopter, Tiny, and maybe even Troll. She is a hard carry and an absolute powerhouse lategame, but she isn't the hardest by far - she's like #12 or #13.

The team that got beaten by her had no harder carries. Of course Naga will wreak havoc on them lategame.

im going to people who dont know naga once. apart from medusa and spectre there is no one who contests.

troll, gyro, chaos knight, alc, and antimage are eaten alive by her, no contest. if you dont understand why then you havent seen enough naga games.
she outclasses PL becouse she spawns multiple illusions at the same time, while PL mainly pushes one lane hard.
druids bear falls off hard.
morphling is pretty good against rat but not against sieges though all 3 lanes like naga does.
terrorblade is more like a mix between naga/lycan/morph. he can manfight but is less of an illusion specialist.
tiny has a good chance when he has wisp, but every team gets a better lategame change with IO on their team.
void is good against 1 hard carry that wants to fight but naga never has to. without chrono he is very lackluster and with scepter he doesnt carry nearly as hard.
medusa never had succes in recent years and even in the handfull of games when she got to lategame she had all that farm but just got kited.
spectre is very good head to head against naga and is probably the only one up there with her, but if i got asked to play against a random team and i could choose my hard carry then i would pick naga 24/7.

and then im even ignoring the way she gets to lategame. she farms insanely fast and while doing that gets complete map control. and she is the best stalling hero in the game with illusions cutting creepwaves if needed.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by ThreadOfFate » July 14, 2014 4:51am | Report
Timminatorr wrote:


im going to people who dont know naga once. apart from medusa and spectre there is no one who contests.

troll, gyro, chaos knight, alc, and antimage are eaten alive by her, no contest. if you dont understand why then you havent seen enough naga games.
she outclasses PL becouse she spawns multiple illusions at the same time, while PL mainly pushes one lane hard.
druids bear falls off hard.
morphling is pretty good against rat but not against sieges though all 3 lanes like naga does.
terrorblade is more like a mix between naga/lycan/morph. he can manfight but is less of an illusion specialist.
tiny has a good chance when he has wisp, but every team gets a better lategame change with IO on their team.
void is good against 1 hard carry that wants to fight but naga never has to. without chrono he is very lackluster and with scepter he doesnt carry nearly as hard.
medusa never had succes in recent years and even in the handfull of games when she got to lategame she had all that farm but just got kited.
spectre is very good head to head against naga and is probably the only one up there with her, but if i got asked to play against a random team and i could choose my hard carry then i would pick naga 24/7.

and then im even ignoring the way she gets to lategame. she farms insanely fast and while doing that gets complete map control. and she is the best stalling hero in the game with illusions cutting creepwaves if needed.


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » July 14, 2014 5:25am | Report
Krwiozerca wrote:

What does Naga Siren have? Not the best illusions in game, Ensnare that goes through magic immunity, armor reduction skill and mentioned ultimate.

She can farm very fast, but can she outcarry Spectre in very late game (both 6 slotted)? In 1 vs. 1 situation I would bet my balls on Spectre any time.

3 Illusions that last 30 seconds, every 40 seconds, can't Split-Push or Farm hard with those, huh? 8{3

Seriously though, Spectre can 1 vs 1 anything (aside from maybe Faceless Void or Terrorblade...depends on Sunder + Dispersion interactions) Late-Game. But she can't stop a Naga Siren from Ratting her Team to death. Even if she uses Haunt, Song of the Siren gives enough time to TP out.

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