Is Storm Spirit now a badge of douche?

If only this was true about Storm Spirit only...

PS: On topic, I have to agree with whoever talked about Invoker. This is the hero that usually has the biggest ego in my pub games, and I'm guessing it has something to do with the more spells you have to use - the more ego? lol

Zaop Storm Spirit, nicest Storm Spirit. He only annoys the other Team! 8{D

I have to say, I find it hard to justify getting that extra point in Static Remnant over a single one in Electric Vortex - is that 40 (30 after MR) damage really going to get you much over simply having a stun available? I really struggle with that idea.

The other big issue is that while Arteezy might have a good time doing it, his team will have been carefully constructed and calibrated around those decisions. I.e. I doubt he'd been farming stacks in the jungle with a Sand King on his team.

This douche essentially took my Blink Dagger away so he could rush an Orchid Malevolence...which he didn't use because he had no points in his stun and wasn't ganking anyway. And I couldn't then gank or use my ult effectively because he'd taken the farm. With a PL and a KOTL on the team it basically left us in a massive hole midgame.

I wouldn't have minded so much if he'd have actually gone and done something useful with the item, but no. As it was, neither myself or Mirana could really do anything positive as our playmaker was AFK and I didn't have a blink. This left the whole team passively sat around trying to eek out scraps of what SS didn't farm already, while the opposition could take towers with impunity.

With a Doombringer on the opposition I know I'd much rather have a rich Phantom Lancer than a rich Storm Spirit on the team. Scrub that, I'd just rather have a rich PL on the team in pretty much any circumstance, because he's a better carry.

We won that game IN SPITE of the AFK farming Storm Spirit than because of him, the rest of the team played really well to make up for how greedy and useless he was.

I'm not saying every Storm plays like this, or that his terrible attitude didn't make it worse, but he does seem to be the en-vogue PPCC (Pro Player CopyCat). Even if they have the skills to use him well (which they generally don't), they're definitely lacking judgement about WHEN it's a good idea to use his more AFK farming build, and when it's a good idea to snowball.



Which is his job :)

The problem with Storm skillbuilds is, that Electric Vortex and Static Remnant are very good skills, but both scale incredibly poorly, so you have to level them heavily before they really start to shine.

However, Storm Spirit is a farming mid! Without items the hero seriously is garbage. In the early game he just cant afford to gank; the risk simply is too high. After an early gank, Strom is left with 0 mana and most likely has to go back to base, hurting his own economy...if he didnt get the kill himself, or the gank failed alltogether, thats even more of a blow. This is why many pro-players prefer the remnant/overload build. Also: having a 260 dmg nuke with 3.5 seconds CD asap is insane.

As for all the "mid-douchness" in pubs, feel free to re-read safecyn's statement:



Short. Simple. And right on point. Nothing to add :D

Finally someone who understands!

@Sando My comment wasn't aimed at your game, but I can see where you are going. Yes, stealing farm from SK is really bad because he needs dagger ASAP. Besides, he could have farmed all the other camps. The thing in pubs is, people usually don't know when to stop farming. It's ok to farm for 15-20 mins (usually), but at some point your team isn't going to be able to 4v5 anymore and you have to join fights. But let's be honest, the amount of games you get a good mid player, is equal to the amount of games you get a decent mid player. So yea, this probably isn't the last time this will happen to you or any other player. It's an online game, there will always be bad, flaming, trolling people and there's nothing you can do except hit the report button.

EDIT:
One more thing also doesn't make sense sando:
You say that he only came to fights to killsteal, however, looking at the game on dotabuff, he has the most hero dmg in the enitre game (more than PL). I don't think that is possible with him only killstealing...

Personally I like 2-3-4-2 by 11, with 2-0-3-1 at 6. Like, I think two points in Static Remnant is still incredibly efficient at flash farming between it and Overload, and it means you can get active on the map with kills, and thus begin the snowball around the timing of your Bottle, Soul Ring and Power Treads (Okay, you'll probably have a component of your next item by then as well, but still).

Like, you actually have a surprisingly substatial mana pool with those three things, and your burst damage is still pretty high. Thus it's pretty easy to go on supports and get the free kills at that stage, and accelerate your Bloodstone/Orchid timing.

The reason why the farming build works in high level pubs and competitive games, is that people understand the concept of hero timings and timing windows for certain line-ups. Thus Storm Spirit can afford to be more passive when it's possible, and flash-farm stacks repeatedly. But in most pubs, there's not this same sense of timing, and often you have to be active sooner to force the game to work for you.

He creates so much space... whew

Personally, I don't play Storm Spirit.

But I were to choose a skill build, it would probably be 1-1-4-1...

I totally agree he's garbage without farm, that's why he's always played as a core hero...however, you can get plenty of farm and xp from snowballing - you don't HAVE to AFK farm on this hero - although it is an option.



This was bad, but he also pretty much ruined PL's farm too. If you look at their respective GPM PL's was a lot lower due to lack of priority from Storm, and the fact he was actually having to join fights midgame or leave us 3v5.



Totally agreed, as Safecyn said, Mid is often the "ego" position, like lead guitar in a band.



I can't remember the exact details, but he got a bunch of pickoffs and stomp kills after we'd taken rax. If you looked at his damage output before 30 mins it would be a very small amount.

And that's kind of what I'm saying - Statswise it looks like he was amazing and carried the team, the reality was he was carried by the rest of us for most of the game until he got to go and fret-wank at the end.

Like I said, I'm NOT applying this to all Storms - just that I've seen this hero abused a lot in this way lately...

i think, that i may have miss-represented my opinion here. I was only talking about the early game ( pre level 11) here, when his resource-pool is quite limited. Ganking and small scale scrims just dont pay off at this stage of the game...Unless ofc you get some good runes or the circumstances really allow it.

I am only trying to justify the 4-0-4-1 build. In the early and midgame storm is really all about his nuking power (350 magic dmg every 3.5 seconds is just insane). When forcing the hero into an initiator/ganker role (by puting most of your points into the vortex), all you really get is an absurdly costly single target/non damaging CC, while the hero itself does negligible damage.

I completely agree that storm is one of the best snowballers in the game and that AFK-farming (after a certain minute mark) is unwished for.