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Some of these heroes I'm not sure are balanced at all, so I put a trigger warning next to them.

Abaddon

- cast point from 0.35 to 0.3
- cast point from 0.452 to 0.3
- now deals damage equal to actual absorbed damage upon bursting

Alchemist

- radius from 625 to 375
- duration from 16 to 8
- damage per second from 15/20/25/30 to 30/40/50/60
- armor reduction from 4/5/6/7 to 3/4/5/6
- cooldown from 16 to 10
- maximum damage from 150/220/290/360 to 100/170/240/310
- throw range from 775 to 800
- no longer provides extra gold bonus per stack
- base gold bonus from 6/8/10/12 to 7/8/9/10
- now can be cast on an enemy creep, ward or mine to provide 120 gold bounty and 50 or 1.2x/1.3x/1.4x/1.5x experience, whichever higher. Has a cooldown of 125 seconds. (Grants 58 extra GPM, provided it is used every time it's off cooldown)

Arc Warden

- now always applies initial damage
- no longer provides evasion
- now provides 5/9/13/17 armor to all allied units, and structures within it.
- attack speed bonus from 50/60/70/80 to 70
- cooldown from 40/35/30 to 35/30/25
- duration from 12/14/16 to 10/12/14

Bloodseeker

- effect delay from 2.6 to 2 (Total delay from 3 to 2.4 seconds)
- cooldown from 60 to 50.

Brewmaster

- guaranteed proc no longer works on denies

Chaos Knight

- now provides vision on the target (Vision is provided instantly, before ability cast point)

Clinkz

-Base damage from 40 to 45

Disruptor

- cast range from 600/1000/1400/1800 to 500/800/1100/1400
-Base Strength from 19 to 16

Drow Ranger

- now applies a 0.3 ministun
-Strength gain from 1.9 to 2.3

Ember Spirit

- cast point from 0 to 0.3
- now disjoints projectiles
- cooldown from 30/22/14/6 to 29/20/12/5

Faceless Void

- cooldown from 24/18/12/6 to 26/20/14/8

Gyrocopter

-Strength gain from 1.8 to 2.6
- cooldown from 30 to 24

Invoker

- travel speed from 1000 to 850 (Travel distance remains the same)
- attack damage from 12+10 per to 9+9 per
- disarm duration from 0.5+0.75 per to 0.5+0.6 per

Kunkka

- manacost from 50 to 85
-Ghost Ship cooldown from 60/50/40 to 75/65/55

Legion Commander

- is now an active ability with a cooldown of 45 seconds
- counterattack chance from 25% to 100%
- lifesteal from 55%/65%/75%/85% to 60%
- proc cooldown from 2.3/1.8/1.3/0.8 to 2.5/2/1.5/1
- duration to 2.5/3.25/4/4.75

Leshrac

-Base Strength from 16 to 21

Lina

- max stacks from 3 to 4.

Luna

- cooldown from 140 to 100

Nyx Assassin

-Base Strength from 18 to 15

Ogre Magi

- duration from 30 to 15

Omniknight

- cast range from 700 to 500
- cast range from 500 to 300
-Strength gain from 2.8 to 2

Oracle

-BAT from 1.4 to 1.6
- cooldown from 2.25 to 3
- only doubles healing from

Outworld Devourer

-Essence Aura proc chance from 40% to 50%

Phantom Assassin

- no longer grants evasion
- now grants 3/5/7/9 armor
- now grants 4%/6%/8%/10% when there are no enemy heroes in 500 radius around her
- now grants 20/40/65/80 attack damage when there is only one hero in 500 radius around her

Phantom Lancer

- illusion damage from 16% to 22%

Phoenix

- range from 1300 to 1000

Puck

- mana cost from 80/100/120/140 to 90

Pudge

- no longer benefits from Aehther Lens' bonus range
- cooldown from 4 to 5

Pugna

- manacost from 85/105/125/145 to 100/105/110/115

Queen of Pain

- cooldown from 135 to 110

Razor

- cooldown from 14 to 10
- manacost from 125 to 105

Riki

- duration from 6 to 3/4/5/6
- range from 800 to 500/575/650/725

Rubick

- cooldown from 22 to 14

Shadow Demon

-Base Strength from 17 to 20

Shadow Fiend

- cast point from 1.67 to 0.8

Slark

- manacost from 55/50/45/40 to 60
- leash duration from 3.5 to 2.5/2.8/3.2/3.5
- cooldown from 60 to 70

Sniper

- cast point from 2 to 1.2

Sven

- cooldown from 13 to 22/19/16/13

- bonus armor from 5/10/15/20 to 3/6/10/14

Timbersaw

- manacost from 70 to 70/80/90/100
- cooldown from 4 to 8/7/6/5
- armor and regen per stack from 1/1.2/1.4/1.6
to 1/1.1/1.2/1.3

Troll Warlord

- manacost from 75 to 40

Venomancer

-Units can no longer be denied under

Viper

- now fully pierces Spell immunity

Witch Doctor

- cooldown from 80 to 100

Abyssal Blade

-Recipe cost from 1550 to 1250

Dagon

-Cooldown from 35/30/25/20/15 to 31/26/21/16/11

Dragon Lance

-Strength and Agility bonus from 14 to 13

Drum of Endurance

-Recipe cost from 700 to 500
-Intelligence bonus from 9 to 6

Dust of Appearance

-Reveal movement speed debuff is now applied separately as a .2(base MS+flat MS bonus) slow

Ethereal Blade

-Ether Blast base damage from 75 to 120

Eye of Skadi

-Cold Attack AS slow from 45 to 35

Infused Raindrops

-Now provides mana regeneration per stack, granting a total of 0.17/0.34/0.51/0.68/0.85 mana regeneration depending on amount of stacks remaining
-Cost from 225 to 250

Mask of Madness

-Cooldown from 25 to 20

Octarine Core

- Creep lifesteal from 5% to 10%

Rod of Atos

-Cripple now applies a 0.5 second stun on cast

Town Portal Scroll

-Cooldown from 70 to 65

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What i disliked
Nobody complain about this ? Sure lets Active Moments of Courage AND Press the Atack, seriusly at least make Press the Atack an aura or something, it is too many actives also this change is still broken as hell because Aghs

Nop this Change to abbadon is pretty idiot and kills the hero, so if a creep break the shield then the enemy will receive 22 damage ?

Buffing Base damage ? the hero is one of the best when you need to Last hit, it is even unfair, ********

No buff to or rework of Void`s aghs ? =(, was thinking of giving you MS and AS for every spell dilated, also Aghs could Reduce Stunned/Bashed time on you by half

No, Rod of Athos need other thing better then Tp Hate, i was thinking of reducing the duration but applying Mute, but this could be broke

What i liked
Aghs Luna is very legit now, not reducing cooldown was the main reason i didnt build it on the hero
Dat OD buff
Dat PA rework
Octarine need buffs like this, it is just idiot that Spell lifesteal is just so weak since it was introduced, the function of lifesteal is to manfight and farm, Octarine does neither one for strong magic dealers like OD and Silencer, just a slice increase of EHP

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(43) |

Skipping LC part because it has nothing to do with actual balance,

- what? If a creep breaks the shield the enemy will receive 22 + all the damage it absorbed while being active. what are you talking about? This is a nerf to his tower diving where you cast shield early, and then just cast a new one under the tower, dealing full damage even if you absorbed like 2 tower hits. And the rest is a buff to a Greaves-Lens support because his cast timesare really awkward. Also helps with chasing.

I like how everyone says damage is so big when in fact only make it good, or slightly above average. This hero has 40(!) base damage and absolutely garbage attack animation(which negates 10 or even 20 attack advantage he may have), probably the worst in the game along with Traxex. 40+30 from arrows lvl 1 is 70, W O W. A ****ing has 63, and gets , which makes his creep damage 88 + inifinitely better attack animation. Good luck getting lh with you MASSIVE damage :^) Also W doesn't work on denies, which is one of the main reasons why mid is bad.

Aghs on Void is fine, his W is fine and E is fine too. Q is a bit too strong and needs to be fixed.

Disabling items for 3k gold is absolute ******** and not nearly close to balanced.

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(8) |

is not supposed to be a lane dominator, he is a ganker notheless, dominating his laning is one way to shut him down, the other is buying massive Sentry wards so he cant feed on supports, but the second option is not avaiable in pubs for obvius reasons
we can all agree has been a **** hero, but once she hit level 6 she gain +40 agi, and then she can orb walk the **** out of it.

Also how changes has nothing to with balance ? You are killing , and even Armlet on the hero

If you want to Nerf void, rise the mana costs of the Q so he need some itens to be abusing of it, making it 8 seconds just kill his late game (Also he would need if offlane and if Carry)

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(43) |

Quoted:

Clinkz is not supposed to be a lane dominator

Yes he is lmao. You zone out weak laners completely with .

LC having too many buttons is your problem not balance problem. Nobody complains about or being dead because they have too many buttons LUL. It's a matter of 2-3 games to get used to. The point of the rework was to get rid of jungle LCs and buff her solokill and laning anyway.

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Now you are talking idiot, lives a combo where you buff yourself and ult enemy, your buffs duration are about 4-5 seconds and having a silver edge to initiate is almost impossible, by the time you put all your buffs enemy already run out or use a escape, you solo gank people and stack damage early on and later on you can disable enemy carry

Sure have many buttons but you play him from behind, you can always press you buttons, legion has only a litte time before she can

Clinkz Can gank, can push, can Carry a team on his own, sure it would be balanced give him a MORE strong lane as he can already orb walk targets on contest

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(54) |

Isn't that the reason why people buy on LC?

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(89) |

A few thoughts :

sounds a bit overdone. More like rod of TP scroll hate. Seriously I'm playing Atos Bloodseeker or Slark at that point.

...item needs a straight up buff, and not a small one at that. Seriously even if you reduce the recipe cost by 300 without changing the stats...it's probably still a mediocre item that is only decent on 3 heroes at best.

: The weird thing is that it does deserve that buff, but buffing it will make OP (which he already kind of is because of the early vanguard buff). Well Vanguard blade is OSFrog's idea not mine...

: Didn't slow through BKB before, and then it stopped because of a recent bug fix? It's not OP, it's just aids :)

: Totally with you there. That 4 second cooldown needs to go.

: Blur now grants 4%/6%/8%/10%...of what? You didn't say XD

hate is real. 300 cast range...seriously? XD

would be fine if it didn't give her permanent 522 movement speed. Reduce the MS/stack and it's good.

: Why reduce his farm massively like that? That would just encourage publords to play midas slark.

: this doesn't look like much but it's probably OP. Since the hero's niche is pushing in the very early game...giving him tons of mana to do just that can be really unfair. Personally I'd make him scale into late game, because that's the main reason why he's just not that good as a core.

: the weird thing is that you want to buff carry Void while nerfing offlane Void's laning stage IMO. You definitely did the second part, but you completely dumpstered carry Void for no reason, as if it wasn't bad enough already. Or is your logic "I'm sick of people playing carry Void in my team and being useless so I want to make it garbage so that nobody plays it anymore?" XD

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, maybe overdone... but I don't think so. I had an idea of it stunning units that moves x units in less than a second(similarly to how works but the other way), but I dismissed it as likely imbalanced.

- yes and let's make it so again. If you choose a path of hating melee carries you take it to the very end.

- movement speed. It gives up to 10% movement speed when you're alone.

- seriously, if it is overdone, I don't care, **** this gay hero. Even if it's just that pub scrubs can't deal with him, a hero had a 60% wr across all brackets for what, 2 years now? Good ****.

It should solve 3 problems:
1) Silences not working against him because he goes straight for Greaves almost every game. All of a sudden Storm stops being a counter to Omni and it turns the other way around. Now he'll probably have to buy Lens first.
2) Speaking of Lens, Repel has 700 cast range with it. Saves his carry from literally ANYWHERE. Now it doesn't.
3) With such a cast range he has to actually take the risk and walk up there if he wants to get a off in a middle of a fight.

- the hero has infinite mana, and I don't even get Sabre on him. Just Aquila+Treads lets you almost never run out of mana when farming, I often keep Aquila until I get Skadi or whatever just for that. I think it shouldn't be like this. Every flashfarming hero has to waste some gold to sustain their farm. doesn't, Aquila and you're good to go(I don't know why everyone get a Sabre on him honestly, I think it's not the best investment).

- that's IMO the main problem with the hero. He has MASSIVE mana problems, every time I play him I get drained, Arcanes+ aren't nearly enough to sustain it, and his best items(Lens, Veil, Aghs) give 0 mana regen except for INT bonus. You can't farm normally because of that and you can't effectively push after a won teamfight either most of the time. Maybe it's fine in competitve(highly doubt it) but I don't have 2 supports with arcanes and mangos in my games and I wanna play the guy. Please mr.Lizard.

- honestly I don't care about safelane Void because I don't play it and I don't think it's good in the first place(yea, 5k hero damage carries are not exactly something I'd like to see on my side). I do care about offlane Void that, when not paid attention to in the first levels, becomes a safelaner, and you become an offlaner. Him and Timber are two heroes I hate laning against the most because my supports don't understand you need to destroy the cancer while it's weak.

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(47) |

If you allow me, just my two cents: you don't necessarily get the for the mana alone, it's actually because it's a cheap item that helps you farm faster and teamfight better, since besides the obvious stacks sinergy you get another 10 Strenght to work with. It's optional, I don't think it works every game, but sometimes if you get it you really see the difference in teamfights after.

Also you say the hero has infinite mana and you're right if you're talking about constant farming, but if you have a more "fight with the team style" then you encouter serious troubles having enough mana to pop your ulti sometimes, and you can't really go in without it - this specially in pubs where you don't necessarily have supports with sustain to help you.

At least this is my experience with my new favourite fish. I still have no troubles whatsoever at playing against him though, he's just so easy to crush if you play right (nuke him down, disable him, get that vision going in the places where he is gonna pop up with his bait him and kill him).

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There'd be no reason to ever spend 2k gold on over upgrade/ if it wasn't for mana regen. doesn't exceptionally benefit from 2x attack(wow you get +3 free agi every 5 seconds), neither the slow because he has pounce and tons of MS, and he gets Skadi/SnY every game, and the item isn't the bes gold/stats investment. Mana regen, though, is something won't find for similar price and that's the only selling point of Echo, especially in pubs where self-sustain is extremely important.

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Well yea personally I like everything the item brings and it's better than upgrade immediately the SE sometimes and I never buy , cause I sincerily dislike that item over the others you can get for him, since I do not upgrade it to Manta nor S&Y and I think he has enough Agi to work with and he lacks HP/other stats. The 2x attack you say means nothing for me means you burst the target you want quicker, which really helps. But yea it's not comparable to , not it substitutes it. I tried with or without and I really like it sometimes, you should try and see if you feel a difference in power or not. Probably depends on the playstyle as well, and I know mine is a bit unorthodox.

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(3) |

you need attractive lure to bait right fish ;-)... Volvo should make a worm-ish hero

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(89) |

IMO is a thing. Actually I'd go for it in a lot of games. Infinite blast spam and infinite sustain for his entire team by draining creeps and healing teammates. Like a Mek but 10 times better. Besides is the item Pugna needs to spam Q.

Okay, if you hate carry Void and want to kill it once and for all for quality of life in pubs, I won't complain :)

Completely agree on Void and Timber.

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(43) |

Maybe it is, I'm gonna try that. But that kinda goes against his "pushy" nature, like you can get Lens and start non-stop pushing from that point, and is 2k additional gold you have to farm.

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(89) |

is far more pushy than :)

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(43) |

I think that's it, I've written down all I wanted for 6.89.

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I don't like alch changes (I think he's pretty fine now). CK buff PLZ NONONO, Abba shield nerf would be big nerf to his fighting abilities. Drow buff seems good, maybe the ministun is the thing drow needs to be in meta. Disruptor is pretty op now, maybe range on glimpse is the right way to balance him. But I would like if thuderstrike mana cost scaled something like 100/110/120/130 :-)

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Your idea with Alchemist's Greevils was almost the exact same as my idea. I like it so far, it's actually in alphabetical order HAMSTER. I agree with most of these, so the ones I don't I'll explain.

: Sure, is a pain in the *** to land, but it's one of the hero's few weaknesses. As a CK player, I'd like that buff, but from a balance perspective I'm not a fan.

: Pls no, leave my MMR farmers alone

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