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Diffusal is almost viable on now tho.

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stul works for countering.

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Seriously, f*** you Icefraud. This 6.83b patch is just stupid.

cast range from 450 to 350 (?!)

Basically you give Juggy a flashy-looking but minor buff with some more AGI, and behind our backs you cut him to the ground by making his ulti unusable. It already had a pathetic cast range, now it's almost uncastable.

So yeah, core item. Otherwise you have no ult (and no right-click anyways because you can't get in range).

Nice backstabbing Icefraud. It reminds me of 6.82 patch where he apparently buffed by giving him a completely useless buff to while behind our backs he introduces the double roam/trilane mid meta with the bounty runes. Now SF gets perma-ganked mid and loses the game on his own...but yeah he can get 3 more souls at level 1.

So yeah, Juggy was nerfed horribly in 6.83. Skills are what make a hero not stats.

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yes,yes it is :D

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I don't see why this makes that different. Like seriously, was already good on Jugg, making it core just makes him slightly less stupid.

The nerf just makes him less of a hero than can wander around the map solo-killing whatever takes his fancy when ulti is up. He can probably still do it, since he builts , , and normally, and thus moves really fast. Making gap-closing not an issue (Hell, you can see him just running people down in recent games, not even using to get solo kills.

None of his other traits have been change (Beyond a slight armour nerf). He still has amazing BAT which lets him be a good man-fighter, he still has for pushing and fighting, he can still solo Roshan really early on.

In short, I don't think the change really hurts him that hard. He's still got every other trait that made him a really popular pick untouched. I'm probably going to be proved wrong on this, I admit, but for now I believe he's still going to be a high priority pick/ban hero.

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well he was definately overpicked in the western scene. some easter teams picked him but a lot mostly ignored him.
he wasnt picked in 6.82, now he was pushed over the edge of being a good hero and INSTANTLY BIG OMMNISLASH NERFS.
its kinda unneeded, now he is probably going to be a situational pick against teams with delayed stuns.

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The nerf just makes him less of a hero than can wander around the map solo-killing whatever takes his fancy when ulti is up.

Well...that's kinda the issue, isn't it? I mean, what is Jugg good at besides doing exactly that? The best part about the hero is his awesome ulti...other than that what are you gonna do? Play right-click Jugg with madness yasha and stuff without using ult? He's just a melee creep with good BAT and a crit, it's terrible, just pick or something if you want to do that. Deathball push with ? Yeah it's really good but pubs never picked him for this and even competitive teams don't pick him for this either.

This hero is pretty much a walking ulti, nerf the ult, nerf the hero to the ground.

Main issue I have with Jugg right now is that he has to freeze a ton of inventory slots with items that have nothing to do with the business of carrying : blink to actually have an ult, Aghs to have a decent ult cooldown, dust against invis heroes, diffusal to dispel ghost, etc. How do you keep slots for real carry items?

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Because people buy on wasting an item slot.

The nerf is 100 range people, calm down. You will still be able to play properly without that 100 range to . Will it be harder to pull one off? Yes, that's the point of it. But is such a race car that it's not even a problem. Plus, when people use on him, they'll blink into melee range anyway.

Pathetic cast range? and are the pathetic ones, yet and received nerfs after nerfs (minor or major to their entire skill sets, not just a skill).

The AGI buff was really needed, his level 1 damage is really poor compared to other melees.