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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » December 24, 2014 8:01am | Report
Was just wondering, with all the recent buffs, (and maybe even more to come) how strong you do think Crystal Maiden is? Do you think she is up to par with other supports that are picked up frequently?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » December 24, 2014 8:14am | Report
And who would have made a CRYSTAL MELTIN fan thread.
I dont even need to know the poster name, the header is enuf.

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First you thank us for welcoming you, now you pitch your tents in converting everyone to the way of crystal maiden.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KrDotoBestDoto » December 24, 2014 8:24am | Report
Against players who have a brain she's probably not the best choice. Limited mobility without items and (compared to other support heroes) slow jungling make her extremely unattractive.
If you can get a good draft she can certainly be strong though.
Get a lineup that has a lot of control and can stall the BKBs away CM can certainly do a lot, but you might as well get an ES or SK who are less dependant on the lineup and can do equally good or better.

If you know the opponent team won't rush their BKBs you have the chance to end the game before the BKBs make a big difference, but it's a big gamble while other supports can be just as good while being less restrictive.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 24, 2014 8:25am | Report
Well her early game got huge nerfs because she kind of took a brick to the head with her 16 base INT so she doesn't even have the mana to cast her spells anymore.

On the other hand Freezing Field is completely OP now with its absurd AOE and constant damage buffs.

Not the best early game support, more like a greedy Blink Dagger/ Aghanim's Scepter/ Black King Bar teamfight semi-support.

I don't know if that's a good playstyle for competitive dota, to require 10K gold of farm on a support. I don't think it is actually. Really effective in pubs though where you can easily get away with that and the Eye of Skadi that goes with it because of all the kills you can help set up xD

She's a bit weak to BKB's but she's not realy supposed to initiate, more like jump in afterwards, so she can wait until they end. On the other hand if you really want to buff CM make the slow go through BKB (at least for the Aghs upgrade). Volvo pls.

Still think Witch Doctor is a bit better, for competitive at least. Death Ward is physical damage so it goes through BKB, and he needs less farm.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by oldKainen » December 24, 2014 8:28am | Report
Maiden can offer a lot for the team: is a natural mana battery, has an AoE Slow and a disable (not a full disable, but a decent one) and a good teamfight ultimate. Frostbite is an effective farming tool too, what is important for a usual 5#. She's still frail, but Tranquil Boots and some Bracers can help out.

Can work out well with mana hungry line-ups, especially if the team can provide setup for her ultimate, as it is quite powerful now. However, most of the supports offer more or are neutralized with more difficulty, so is not so easy to draft her.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » December 24, 2014 8:38am | Report
CM still has the same problems as before, what's different is that she now scales better into late game.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » December 24, 2014 8:45am | Report
Depends a lot on the lineup, if you can combine her with some heavy teamfight disable she can be really powerful. Fairly flexible support (her jungling might not be SK, but she has more laning/harassment presence), damage scaling outside ult is a bit meh.

Arcane Aura is only REALLY REALLY useful when your team have lots of low mana harassment spells - Fireblast, Shockwave Decay etc. Frostbite has utility, and the instant, undodgable cast is great, but lacks the power of a true disable against some heroes or later in the game.

Personally, I've always been a bit "meh" on her, the only hero I think she has truly great synergy with is Magnus.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 24, 2014 8:49am | Report
Sando wrote:

the only hero I think she has truly great synergy with is Magnus.


Tsts, Omniknight is the best synergy ever, Repel + GA on CM even 10 minutes in = rampage, and when you have your BKB, you're immune to diffusal.
Oracle also, False Promise on CM with a possible BKB = teamwipe.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » December 24, 2014 9:07am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

Well her early game got huge nerfs because she kind of took a brick to the head with her 16 base INT so she doesn't even have the mana to cast her spells anymore.

On the other hand Freezing Field is completely OP now with its absurd AOE and constant damage buffs.

Not the best early game support, more like a greedy Blink Dagger/ Aghanim's Scepter/ Black King Bar teamfight semi-support.

I don't know if that's a good playstyle for competitive dota, to require 10K gold of farm on a support. I don't think it is actually. Really effective in pubs though where you can easily get away with that and the Eye of Skadi that goes with it because of all the kills you can help set up xD

She's a bit weak to BKB's but she's not realy supposed to initiate, more like jump in afterwards, so she can wait until they end. On the other hand if you really want to buff CM make the slow go through BKB (at least for the Aghs upgrade). Volvo pls.

Still think Witch Doctor is a bit better, for competitive at least. Death Ward is physical damage so it goes through BKB, and he needs less farm.

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Jokes aside, i do like how you can go carry CM in pubs. But when it comes to competitive, its a whole different matter.
She kind of fills in between #4 and #5. But at that level, jack of trades and master of none doesnt cut it.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » December 24, 2014 9:12am | Report
Sure, those guys can keep CM alive while she applies the damage, but they don't offer much in the way of getting/keeping enemies in range or from popping their BKBs - they benefit somewhat from Arcane Aura, but Fortune's End and Purification are too expensive to really be spammable with it.

Magnus on the other hand doesn't even have to lane with her - free Shockwaves every 90 seconds at level 1, or 60 seconds at level 2. As for Reverse Polarity and Skewer...

Obviously Enigma can setup Freezing Field well too, but his spell costs are too high to really benefit from Arcane Aura that much...
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