Bloodthorn Morphling

Theory crafting and build discussion both fit... Moved to Theorycrafting then :^)

SUPER FUN, I did this one time in overthrown, its like a 10 time better medalion on Winter Wyvern, also synergy well with aghs, you will never run out of mana and can stay flying mod for ever, definitly viable

Never played a inhouse yet, but if i play one i will sure remember you that one XDD

Shadow Demon i can say its viable, Orchid Malevolence = Eternal Shadow Poison, and them prevent people like Anti Mage from blink out and you can see he kill himself with disruption illusions XD, the thing is even better because of aghs break, other potential carry, even got buffed in 6.88 ( illusions duration increased by 1 second)

For positioning maybe PA ? she has a natural blink that synergy with bloodthorn, or even just another stunner like Wraith King seems ok

One day we will theorycraft Shadow Shaman Bloodthorn he has 5 seconds of Stun and snakes critic from it :0P

Other ******** levels are Visage and Warlock with bloodthorn

edit:in overthrown seems ok, it is even more because we have replicate too, my slark stat stealer coupled with Wk i manage to kill invoker and Slark by myself XD
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Silencer quietly whispers hello to Bloodthorn

Apparently ward attacks actually do crit with Bloodthorn. So yeah Shadow Shaman or Witch Doctor buying BS should be the new pub troll meta.
(aghs increases the damage more on shaman and is way cheaper of course, so aghs/refresher/octarine >> BS)

Visibly according to the wiki illusions don't get the pseudo-crit from BS. So this doesn't work on Shadow Demon, and is pretty meh on Terrorblade as well? But I'm surprised because I bought it on Naga Siren quite a bit and I saw red numbers on illusions every hit. Can someone confirm?

EDIT : no, I actually tried it out, Naga illusions crit every hit on bloodthorned targets. The wiki is wrong it seems.

Visage and Warlock don't have a stun so it's still pretty bad on them. Even on Beastmaster it's only decent at best because summons are no longer relevant by the time you get it. Besides Warlock is all about Flaming Fists, which is pure damage, and gets doubled by aghs not by BS.

However, for some sick new meta... Mirana Bloodthorn. Arrow a guy, BS him, and even with your ****py right click he just blows up. Actually this makes me want to play Mirana. Sounds way more fun than scepter of creep killing.

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/146816150/matches?hero=naga-siren
I tested it many times, it does work, its just insane damage you can get on naga, the downside is that is easily purged, but purge is the last thing people think when fighting naga :0)

Well at least Witch Doctor can use it propely , as he does not need Octarine and Refresher due to 70 ult cd XD.But still is a 6 slot to Shadow Shaman if people still do the pushing build :0P.

I said Visage because his flying creeps critic from it, insane damage, at least he have a reliable slow to solo kill supports, on the other hand Warlock would need set up stun from his team, but by the time people are slowed to death he can kill them with golens(Any damage is amplified in the final 30% of bloodthorn anyway) but its situational, only if you have setup stun and enemy has blink.

I like building Bloodthorn on Beastmaster, i know his creeps fall off hard after 30 min in, but you can and should be building itens that make your creeps stay relevant, Assault Cuirass, Desolator, Bloodthorn and even Vlads, Beastmaster and Magnus Change position one another from Aura master to Disable and kill.

Why not both on Mirana ? after aghs you will need something to spend your money and mana regen to farm lanes, one compliment the other, one gives you single power, the other teamfight presence, Bkb + moon shard and End game.

Because Eul's Scepter of Divinity. Literally the single best item on Mirana in the game. It's less than 3K gold, yet it's a million times better on that hero than any top tier item.
I've always went blink-euls on POTM and have no intention of changing about Euls being absolute core. It's good that you can output some real damage with BS now but I'm not forgetting that this hero is first and foremost an initiator. Get into range with ulti, euls a guy, leap back, arrow, ez reliable 5 second stun. Without that it's just not the same hero.

That's just too risky and isn't worth it. If you need to initate a fight in a potentially very drawn out push/defense, you just shoot random arrows until it hits someone and your and your team follows up.

Like I don't see a situation where Eul's initiation(if you count in the fact that you spent almost 3k on an utility item) would be better that blind shots. You commit Eul's and leap to get the same result.

You mean you shoot ONE random arrow. 17 second cooldown.

Then the teamfight breaks out, the enemy team dusts your ulti, and you're completely useless.

If POTM misses an arrow she's out of the game for 17 seconds. Either you risk that, or you buy items that turn it into a reliable 5 second stun.

Yea sure, and with Eul's you always get into range undetected. And you're so useful without leap and DPS as opposed to having leap and some rightclick item.

If you want a reliable stun why don't u just pick Beasmtaster who brings a lot more? Playing a hero as a walking 5 sec stun is a waste especially if you can output burst and stable DPS with Aghs+rightclick items.


Like I know u don't like Aghs Mirana because it;s greedy but we are not playing @ TI here, greed is way easier to get away with even in 5k+ pubs and it's been like this forever.

But Arrow has the same interactions Hook has with Euls scepter ? if not them its unrealiable, also if you wanna play euls + blink, pick Shadow Fiend :0ppppppppp.
But sure if you are used to do euls them its ok, scrubs like me prefer to hit random arrow and finish them with 4x starfall from aghs :0)