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Forum » Theory Crafting » Heroes to get Blade Mail against? 21 posts - page 2 of 3
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by wilddeonpwn » November 27, 2012 2:22am | Report
A blade mail activated while a juggernaut is ultimate-ing you will do no damage, as he is immune while under the ult, and unable to be damaged. I believe you can return pure damage, like outworld destroyers orb

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » November 27, 2012 5:55am | Report
Yes indeed you can return pure damage.About juggernaut,he is invulnerable while in his ultimate,so gets no damage back.And juggernaut does physical damage not pure with his ultimate.Thats why ghost sceptre and decreptify counter him so hard.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Allegiance » November 27, 2012 6:00am | Report
"Pure damage is a form of magical damage that is unreduced by Magic Resistance or magic amplification (it always does exactly the damage it says it does). Because it is magical, it also ignores all Armor or forms of damage block. It does not affect units under Magic Immunity and does normal damage against Ethereal units. Examples of pure damage are Omniknight's Purification, Pudge's Meat Hook, Bloodseeker's Rupture, Spectre's Desolate and Dispersion, Enchantress' Impetus, Chen's Test of Faith, Silencer's Glaives of Wisdom, Tinker's Laser, Bane's Brain Sap, Invoker's Sun Strike and Outworld Destroyer's Arcane Orb."

Pure Damage only means it does always the same amount of damage, no matter what. But pure damage still can be blocked entirely.

Blademail sure returns pure damage, why shouldn't it?

Juggernaut can't receive damage of any form while using Omnislash therefore a blademail is pointless against him. on top of that, blademail does not work against magic immune units, another point why it isn't good against him

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » November 28, 2012 6:16am | Report
So Blade Mail won't go through BKB? That's interesting...and would also explain the Juggernaut thing. I was under the impressiont that pure damage went through everything, with no reductions.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Rigul » December 5, 2012 7:42am | Report
Verified. BKB blocks most non physical damage. As far as I can tell there are only two damage types in Dota 2: magical and physical. I don't think it's like all the WC3 Dota's where the system was built upon different damage and armor types.

Because of certain things I've come across, I think mechanics like Blade Mail and Cleave simply have exceptions to the basic rules. I think the term "pure damage" is no longer a type of damage but simply damage that does not face resistance. That's my speculation, but without confirmation from the devs or seeing the code first hand it'd be hard to know for sure. Some might say "But the tool tips say pure damage, so pure must be a damage type. Right?". Well let's analyze it.

For example, BKB gives magic immunity right? Yet most every ult can still hit you if BKB is active, you just won't take damage. Like for Enigma's or Necro's ult you wouldn't take damage but you'd still be stunned per their respective effects.

To add to all that I also ran a test. I attacked a target with a secondary target being cleaved.
The first set of attacks the secondary target uses BKB and takes cleave damage.
Second set of attacks the secondary target uses Blademail and reflects cleave damage.
Third set of attacks the secondary target uses Blademail and I (the attacker) use BKB and no damage is reflected.

Basically Cleave goes through BKB, Blade Mail returns Cleave, but BKB will block Blade Mail return on Cleave. Both the tool tips for Cleave and Blade Mail say they deal pure damage right? So why the inconstancy? Like I said before, I think they deal with exceptions to standing rules rather than make a new type of damage all together.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » December 6, 2012 8:20am | Report
Rigul wrote:

Verified. BKB blocks most non physical damage. As far as I can tell there are only two damage types in Dota 2: magical and physical. I don't think it's like all the WC3 Dota's where the system was built upon different damage and armor types.

Because of certain things I've come across, I think mechanics like Blade Mail and Cleave simply have exceptions to the basic rules. I think the term "pure damage" is no longer a type of damage but simply damage that does not face resistance. That's my speculation, but without confirmation from the devs or seeing the code first hand it'd be hard to know for sure. Some might say "But the tool tips say pure damage, so pure must be a damage type. Right?". Well let's analyze it.

For example, BKB gives magic immunity right? Yet most every ult can still hit you if BKB is active, you just won't take damage. Like for Enigma's or Necro's ult you wouldn't take damage but you'd still be stunned per their respective effects.

To add to all that I also ran a test. I attacked a target with a secondary target being cleaved.
The first set of attacks the secondary target uses BKB and takes cleave damage.
Second set of attacks the secondary target uses Blademail and reflects cleave damage.
Third set of attacks the secondary target uses Blademail and I (the attacker) use BKB and no damage is reflected.

Basically Cleave goes through BKB, Blade Mail returns Cleave, but BKB will block Blade Mail return on Cleave. Both the tool tips for Cleave and Blade Mail say they deal pure damage right? So why the inconstancy? Like I said before, I think they deal with exceptions to standing rules rather than make a new type of damage all together.

Here's the video of me testing this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBLpX83stG4&feature=youtu.be

We have pure damage too as mentioned above.

Sando wrote:

So Blade Mail won't go through BKB? That's interesting...and would also explain the Juggernaut thing. I was under the impressiont that pure damage went through everything, with no reductions.


Juggernaut deals PHYSICAL damage with his ultimate.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Allegiance » December 9, 2012 11:55pm | Report
The damage type of pure, universal or mixed damage is still magical damage.
These are just some sub-types, but itself the damage counts as magical.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by NicknameMy » December 10, 2012 7:44am | Report
Isn't pure something like true dmg which doesn't gets affected by any damage reduction at all?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Allegiance » December 10, 2012 7:57am | Report
yes, pure damage does not get affected by anything.
Not by armor (because it is magical damage), not by magic resistance and not by amplifiers, such as e-blade or Decrepify

"Pure damage is a form of magical damage that is unreduced by Magic Resistance or magic amplification (it always does exactly the damage it says it does). Because it is magical, it also ignores all Armor or forms of damage block. It does not affect units under Magic Immunity and does normal damage against Ethereal units. Examples of pure damage are Omniknight's Purification, Pudge's Meat Hook, Bloodseeker's Rupture, Spectre's Desolate and Dispersion, Enchantress' Impetus, Chen's Test of Faith, Silencer's Glaives of Wisdom, Tinker's Laser, Bane's Brain Sap, Invoker's Sun Strike and Outworld Destroyer's Arcane Orb. "

http://www.dota2wiki.com/wiki/Damage_types
That is the link to an explanation of all damage types of Dota

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Drink Impossibrew » December 20, 2012 7:02pm | Report
enemy team has sand king earthshaker shadow fiend, get your entire team to buy blade mail. afaik when they ult they get damage returned for everyone in their ult aoe's so they just die instantly

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