DOTAFire EU West Inhouse CrAzY CM!!!111!! - 21 and 22 March

Ban list for Timmi's crazy CM
abaddon yes some people play him carry but there are more positions then carry and support
Axe correct
Beastmaster carry isnt a normal position for him
Bloodseeker correct, jungle=support and vice versa, if a support who can jungle has no opportunity to gank or zone he will just go jungle, i want to avoid that scenario.
Brewmaster support brew wheeeeere
Chaos Knight is he commonly played support? no.
Death prophet who the hell plays support/offlane DP?
Doom yes
Faceless Void in what alternate Universe(ucwatididthere?) have you seen a support void?
Gyrocopter i dont see support gyro commonly picked, sometimes but not enough to make it normal IMO.
Juggernaut correct
Legion Commander same as BS
Lina could always do offlane lina.
Meepo OFFLANE MAAPO POOF ESCAPES STILL AVAILABLE
Mirana correct
Morphling read teh list
Naga offlane
Necrophos offlane
Razor offlane/support available
Silencer offlane
Shadow Fiend who what, where? WTF?
Sven correct
Tusk is hardly ever played higher then a 3 position.
Undying I WANNA SEE ARMLET MoM MJOLLNIR UNDYING AND ****.
Viper viper support so common kappa.
Windrunner correct
Wraith King mid/offlane



Feel free to add or delete. but discussion is imperative

Jakiro mid was commonly done in competitive during the end of the deathball meta and even a bit after. Doesn't work IMO.
he wasnt played mid, only carry, support and offlane.

Slardar offlane is completely legit as well and rather common in pubs (he's not picked in comp anyways).
doesnt matter if its legit, and when i mean offlane i mean solo, if he is helped by a support a lot i consider him a carry.

Leshrac safe lane carry not allowed? Why? seems to normal to me, wasnt sure if to allow it but ive seen it in comp matches multiple times. but only once recently.

Riki mid is also far too legit since the rework to be allowed IMO. nobody does it though.

Phantom Lancer mid is also rather common in pubs and it's too good to be crazy. i wasnt sure about this one either, havent seen him mid personally but it doesnt seem weird to me, so maybe ill remove it.

Also...why isn't every hero present? Where is :

- Anti-Mage (support, offlane, mid)
- Clinkz (support)
- Spectre (mid, offlane, support)
- Tiny (support, offlane)

EDIT : ok they were added yea, the hero list posted by unscathed was incomplete.

No support Meepo? D}:

Unconfirmed both please :) http://www.dotabuff.com/players/54450733 (my smurf, will change names beforehand)

I would say no Bane mid. Not sure how often it is seen, but Enfeeble and Nightmare make him super legit mid, not to mention a quick Fiends Grip giving him great solo kill potential. as i said before, potential doesnt matter, nobody plays him that way, so he is allowed.

I think we need some clarity as well... We will need to distinguish between 'carry' and 'solo lane'. Because while i agree that offlane Abaddon is not a thing, if you go duel lanes and treat him as a carry it definitely is. So maybe say that you can only use him in a solo lane? Maybe a gentleman's agreement that if you have put 'offlane' next to what is usually a carry we mean solo-offlane?
an offlaner who gets help from a support in lane becomes a carry.
this is kind of the only annoying grey area in the mode, because if a team decided to put for instance an ursa offlane they cant put a support next to him, but they should still be allowed to gank the lane.


With Morphling, NIP and a CIS team (maybe PR, cant remember) have recently used him solo-offlane. So this might be ban-worthy. he has seen some play as an offlaner/support recently, mostly due to NEL and EEL, but i dont consider it common just yet.

wtf timm Bloodseeker offlane allowed. thats ****in legit brah.