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Balancing Phantom Assassin

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » November 29, 2014 11:01am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

Drum/Vlads is a tanky PA that deals no damage. It's not that effective because the whole strength of PA is to get a kill with only one Phantom Strike. And Black King Bar isn't that efficient on a hero that deals no damage in the first place. Best to get damage first, then BKB.

Replace the drum with a Desolator and it's really good. Treads -> Vlads -> Deso -> BKB is the best build IMO for mid game impact.

Actually tank items are not that good on PA because if you build more damage on her she will have to tank way less anyways. She only puts herself in danger by chasing heroes for 30 seconds and hitting them for 30 damage a hit. The whole strength of her mid game is to kill any hero in ONE blink.

Not exactly. Remember that Vlad's gives 15% damage, and I think that comes AFTER crits. So PA still Crits for a bit (Although less than other builds), and is a lot tankier than usual.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Xyrus » November 29, 2014 11:16am | Report

Bkb is not refreshed of you get a new one or are you implying that you can benefit from second when first one is on cooldown?

Getting a new one and dumping the old one (can't sell them anymore T-T )

I think battlefury is legit on her as a damageitem. If you can build it early like 14 to 15 mins. Although it can be sacrificed for situationals.

That's the thing, you don't really need a Damage Item, you get Damage from Mortal Strike and Attack Speed from Phantom Strike, PA's biggest problem early on, is that she's Squishy and thus susceptible to getting Nuked down before she can Right-Click anyone down.

Battle Fury allows you to Farm, but you're not Anti-Mage, you're not gonna clear Camps very quickly so it's barely any better than Hand of Midas or Maelstrom, but more than twice as expensive, and if the other Team are dumb enough to clump up? You might as well build Dagon, anything works against n00bs.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » November 29, 2014 11:17am | Report
^^

So my build was actually legit? Like, without the mjollnir, just the maelstrom.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » November 29, 2014 11:48am | Report
TheSofa wrote:

^^

So my build was actually legit? Like, without the mjollnir, just the maelstrom.

TheSofa wrote:

I go Treads >> Drum >> Vlad's >> Black King Bar >> (Monkey King Bar) >> Abyssal Blade

Can anyone critique this please? It would be much appreciated.

Fixed it for you. You (almost) always want to prioritize Abyssal Blade over Monkey King Bar though, even delaying it for an Eye of Skadi is good in some cases. Oh, if you really like the Maelstrom take it after the BKB since it's not used as a farming item in this build.

Hamstertamer wrote:

Drum/Vlads is a tanky PA that deals no damage.

Do you really need so many items to actually deal damage as a PA? In the early game the thing that counts most is teamwork, and in a 5v5 engagement having Drums + Vlad's is usually better than having a BF/BKB unless you're bulking up for the late game. And if you still think you'll deal no damage after the BKB, remember that you should've got enough early lead to finish the game before the very late stages. If you haven't, then you're left with a backup build that helps your team and doesn't make you useless.

So, to me, there are two kind of builds:
The mid-game focused PA: Phase Boots, Drum of Endurance and/or Vladmir's Offering and Black King Bar.
The late game PA: Power Treads, Ring of Aquila (if you like it), Black King Bar and optional Helm of the Dominator.
As for the late game items, I usually go - in this order - Abyssal Blade, Satanic/ Eye of Skadi (Satanic when you go HotD, Skadi when you go Vlad's), Monkey King Bar and then Assault Cuirass/ Heart of Tarrasque/ Scythe of Vyse/Skadi.
I go Power Treads in the BKB rush build because it lacks early game survivability and attack speed, two things that are much more valuable than extra crit damage and movement speed in this case.

Keep in mind that I change my mind a lot, so maybe I won't like those builds next month.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by TheSofa » November 29, 2014 1:47pm | Report
Thanks, Peppo!

I will try that someday.
I have one more question, though. Why Abyssal over MKB?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » November 29, 2014 2:22pm | Report
TheSofa wrote:

Thanks, Peppo!

I will try that someday.
I have one more question, though. Why Abyssal over MKB?

because they are both damage items but abyssal gives the bash and the active. MKB is only better against evasion.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Unscathed » November 29, 2014 3:55pm | Report
Actually peppo why skadi only with vlads? Did you forgot it stacks with lifesteal?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » November 30, 2014 12:39am | Report
Unscathed wrote:

Actually peppo why skadi only with vlads? Did you forgot it stacks with lifesteal?

Keep in mind that you have to think about your late game items before reaching the late game, that's why I never get an early HotD if I'm sure I'll get a Skadi or a Vlad's if I want a Satanic. Basically, Vlad's is the better lifesteal item, and since going Vlad's + Satanic is a waste you usually want to get a Skadi with it. Vice versa, if you buy a HotD, the Satanic is a cheaper upgrade that doesn't take an extra inventory slot.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Zerosaviour » November 30, 2014 5:03am | Report
Wulfstan wrote:

Stop buying ring of aquilla people. Seriously, biggest waste. If you want the mana regen, just get that Ring of Basilius. Never upgrade it.


Aquilla isn't that bad of an item. Yet there is a time that you should get it and a time to skip it.

You literally should be aiming to have Aquilla complete by 5-7 minutes. Any later and it's seriously gimping you. It's also one of the first items you should be selling to open up slots.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Unscathed » November 30, 2014 5:08am | Report
Y aquilla so hated? Isnt it like an early game stat item like drums and vlads?

Also Sny..... :(((((
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