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Balancing Phantom Assassin

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » December 1, 2014 3:47am | Report

SnY is sickkk on terrorblade
Makes him a fackin racecar i can clear the jungle and send illusions to the offlane as they run so fast.

I have seen SnY in pro games. They built manta separately while keeping SnY in their inventory.

*barf*

pros also built radiance and it was awefull.

why would you ever build both manta and S&Y? why would the sange make you farm faster?? it only wastes 2000 gold.

manta + skadi = the best build.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyphoid returns » December 1, 2014 4:11am | Report
Farm your skadi when the game is over.

And I barf cookie dough over your supposed barf.

Ask KoDyAbAbA he will give some thoughts over how radiance is not awful since my thoughts on radiance are the same as yours.

You are a bloody porsche on the map with SnY. Those 30 seconds are less wasted on going from point a to b. Early game them illusions benfit from that 16 str and increased ms. Hell, they evn tank towers with SnY. I have done in tiers2 and tier3 in 27 mins in many games with only SnY and boots of travels. You hate it then its your hate but face it, the item works on him. Do you think anti mage without blink could farm jungle that good without blink? I do that with SnY on terrorblade. Your damn single illusion takes out a medium camp. And i farm the whole jungle in 34 seconds. Then you have the spare time to drink some mountain dew with the ancients.

Granted if i have some time before i am forced to come onto fights i will farm skadi.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » December 1, 2014 4:29am | Report

Farm your skadi when the game is over.

And I barf cookie dough over your supposed barf.

Ask KoDyAbAbA he will give some thoughts over how radiance is not awful since my thoughts on radiance are the same as yours.

You are a bloody porsche on the map with SnY. Those 30 seconds are less wasted on going from point a to b. Early game them illusions benfit from that 16 str and increased ms. Hell, they evn tank towers with SnY. I have done in tiers2 and tier3 in 27 mins in many games with only SnY and boots of travels. You hate it then its your hate but face it, the item works on him. Do you think anti mage without blink could farm jungle that good without blink? I do that with SnY on terrorblade. Your damn single illusion takes out a medium camp. And i farm the whole jungle in 34 seconds. Then you have the spare time to drink some mountain dew with the ancients.

Granted if i have some time before i am forced to come onto fights i will farm skadi.

so you farm faster with giving 1 illusion 304 HP which is around 70 HP for illusions? compare that to manta giving ~45 effective HP to illusions and everything you said is ******** when you realise that manta gives 2 illusions that do insane damage with Metamorphosis. :P

S&Y is **** on terrorblade, its a simple fact.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » December 1, 2014 4:32am | Report
Yasha -> Eye of Skadi -> finish Manta Style has a very progressive buildup, with an optional drum before Yasha.

This item path essentially outclasses SnY completely on AGI heroes.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KEEP CALM AND FEED » December 1, 2014 5:39am | Report
Lets say we Add a SnY,it gives 16 AGI and 16 STR.
On the other hand , manta gives 26 agi and 10 STR.
Stat point wise 32 v/s 36.
Gold wise: 128.125 v/s 137.5 per stat. Both figure Sny v/s Manta

Counting your illusions, SnY gives 20 less agi on illusions while trading off for 6 more STR and a 50% increase mmove-speed over the Manta.
1.10 *1.5= 1.165


So in my opinion go manta.

However , SnY is good for ratting as you suffer from move-speed loss in metamorphosis so you may tend to get caught out.

You can see my winrate for proof. I sometimes very rarely go SnY,mostly post illusion nerf, then dissassemble into manta. Thats how Matrice did it.

I also believe , that manta is good at clearing jungle compared to yasha, hes got a point that i have personally experienced that you lose less time in moving around and do more camps. Plus that 150 mana on active of manta costs you a bit early game. But all that is forgiven in the end when you get 56% DPS

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » December 1, 2014 6:32am | Report

Lets say we Add a SnY,it gives 16 AGI and 16 STR.
On the other hand , manta gives 26 agi and 10 STR.
Stat point wise 32 v/s 36.
Gold wise: 128.125 v/s 137.5 per stat. Both figure Sny v/s Manta

Counting your illusions, SnY gives 20 less agi on illusions while trading off for 6 more STR and a 50% increase mmove-speed over the Manta.
1.10 *1.5= 1.165


So in my opinion go manta.

However , SnY is good for ratting as you suffer from move-speed loss in metamorphosis so you may tend to get caught out.

You can see my winrate for proof. I sometimes very rarely go SnY,mostly post illusion nerf, then dissassemble into manta. Thats how Matrice did it.

I also believe , that manta is good at clearing jungle compared to yasha, hes got a point that i have personally experienced that you lose less time in moving around and do more camps. Plus that 150 mana on active of manta costs you a bit early game. But all that is forgiven in the end when you get 56% DPS

still not worth it just for a bit of MS which you shouldnt rely on escaping anyway. manta is also the superior rat item since you push faster and can leave the illusions. if you desperately want the movespeed get early drums if you fight a bit or travels if you purely splitpush.

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