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I think lots of people agree, Sniper needs a full rework. Right now he's just a n00b carry who's essentially a right-clicking ranged creep. The worst hero design in the game by far, he needs to be replaced by a hero who has a more interesting gameplay, who actually requires some skill (while still being playable by new players of course, doesn't need to be the new Earth spirit), but most importantly of all, he should actually be FUN, something he completely lacks.
There has been a pretty nice Sniper rework by Porygon some time ago, here I'll try making my own. Ultimate is inspired by his version actually. Also a bit inspired by Nova from HOTS : http://heroesofthestorm.gamepedia.com/Nova
Meet the HamsterSniper :
Stats
Hero : Sniper
Role : Initiator, nuker, pusher
Position : Solo mid or semi-support. Same line as Silencer, Warlock or Leshrac : playable either as a mid or as a greedy support. Offlane possible but very risky.
Primary attribute : Intelligence
Base damage : 60-65
Base armor : 2
Attack range : 650
Base attack time : 2.0
Skills
Q : Line of sight
After careful aim, Sniper takes his best shot towards the targeted point. Damages and ministuns the first enemy the bullet encounters.
Line of sight affects enemy heroes and creeps but does not affect allies.
Ability : target point
Cast time : 0.4 seconds
Range : 400/650/900/1200
Damage : 70/100/130/160 + 1/1.5/2/2.5 * intelligence
Ministun duration : 0.25 seconds
Cooldown : 4/4/3/2 seconds
Mana cost : 70/75/80/85
W : Scattershot
Sniper prepares three balls of shrapnel that can be fired independently at the target locations. Each scattershot deals damage over time and slow in the targeted area.
Scattershot gives vision in the target areas.
Damage from separate scattershot instances does not stack.
Number of shots : 3
Delay to fire : 4 seconds
AOE radius : 350
Cast range : 1800
Duration : 7 seocnds
Damage per second : 15/30/45/60
Slow : 15/20/25/35%
Mana cost : 150
Cooldown : 20 seconds
E : Sound the cannon
After some preparation, Sniper fires his trusty hand cannon at the target location, dealing massive area damage in a line. Enemies hit are pushed aside and silenced from the blast. Sniper experiences significant recoil, pushing him back.
Damages buildings for 75% of the damage value.
Ability : target point
Channel time : 2.5 seconds
Blast range : 700/850/1000/1150
Blast radius : 250
Damage : 75/150/225/275 + 0.5/1/1.5/2 * intelligence (75% to buildings)
Pushback : 100/150/200/300
Silence duration : 2/3/4/5 seconds
Recoil : 100/200/300/400
Mana cost : 125/175/225/275
Cooldown : 35 seconds
R : Iridium railgun
Sniper locks onto a target point, and after some preparations he keeps secret, fires the most devastating gun ever imagined. Deals massive damage to the first target along the line, and reduced damage to further targets. Sniper is pushed back by the massive recoil.
Ability : target point
Cast time : 1.7 seconds
Range : 2000/2500/3000
Damage : 200 + 1.5/3/4.5 * intelligence (300 + 2.5/4/5.5 * intelligence with Aghanim's scepter)
Damage type : Pure, pierces spell immunity
Damage reduction per target : 40% (reduction for each subsequent target)
Recoil : 400/525/650
Mana cost : 200/350/450
Cooldown : 30/20/10 seconds
Besides improving the damage from his ultimate, Aghanim's Scepter gives an additional ability, allowing Sniper to cast a global range ultimate :
R' : Propulsion overdrive
An experimental overdrive that allows Kardel to remove his range limitations completely. Doesn't come without any risks however...
Additional ability with separate cooldown
Same effect and same damage as his regular ultimate, however the ability has global range
Self damage taken : 20% of current HP (^^)
Cooldown : 60/45/30 seconds
Gameplay
He's a nuker whose damage scales with his intelligence, giving him good late game presence. He is at his strongest in teamfights because of his AOE nukes, however none of his skills are reliable making his skillshots rather hard to hit similar to Kunkka, and he is best used as a followup initiator. Still he can use Scattershot to try to zone enemies and hit his cannon on as many heroes as he can.
His ulti goes through BKB, however none of his other skills do. Just like Invoker or Skywrath, no matter how broken his skills might seem, it's easy to see them coming and pop BKB to block them.
He has high base damage and range for last hitting making him a solid mid or even offlaner, however his horrible base attack time makes him un-viable as a right-clicker. I think Sniper is really THE hero who should have a nerfed BAT because a freaking sniper rifle shouldn't shoot 3 rounds per second like the current one does. That's an *assault* rifle, Volvo.
He pays for his great scaling by being very level dependent and being squishy with no escape, exactly like the current sniper. However he has a pseudo-escape by using the recoil from his skills for more lulz, which is balanced by the long channel times allowing enemies to interrupt them. All his skills have punishing mana costs meaning that he essentially needs a bloodstone to reach his full spam potential, especially for his ult. Besides silence makes him useless of course.
It's a good idea but I don't know why many people don't know IceFrog. Reworking heroes is OK for him but swapping attributes is a rare thing. Only in the past a few heroes got their attributes changed. Like Undying from INT to STR. The reason behind that was, because in the oldest of maps heroes were made out of fun. IceFrog will rework Sniper but he will not touch the primary attribute.
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Ehh.. I think Sniper might get buffed or given some large changes, but some heroes just need to be playable by noobs with ease. Everybody suggests giving sniper a ****ton of skillshots but I think he should keep his long range and maybe rework Shrapnel instead. There have to be some easier heroes other than Viper, Drow Ranger, and Wraith King, etc. Maybe giving him a more powerful slow in an aoe with blink disable. Kinda like Ensnare but with slow rather than root.
This isn't about noob friendliness or not, it's about the fact that being a 950 range creep without skills who can't do anything but right-click isn't a good concept of a hero. That's why he needs a rework. He doesn't need a buff or a nerf, he just needs a better concept.
It's natural to think about skillshots because that's the whole point of a "sniper" in the first place! You need good aim, you need a clear line of sight of your target, and you fire FEW shots which deal a lot of damage each, which is the complete opposite of a right-click AGI hero who is more like a machine gun than anything else!
@ F.E.A.R.0 ; I'm sorry to not having been blessed by insight into the mind of Icefrog ; I try to do what I can with my meager imagination. Still besides Undying, Chen and Ursa had primary attribute changes as far as I know, they used to be STR.
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