Im gonna try something stupid on sven

I know this sounds stupid but I happen to actually have spare time to test this in a real match.
So you lets get to the point I will buy maelstorm, hotd and Armlet of Mordiggian as my early items then get drums,AC for my core and so on.

So I never actually thought of this because I am busy right now but I just wanna see if this might work and I can test it or its PLAIN STUPID.Just asking guys because I wanna know if its worth my time to test this I know I said I had free time but I dont want to feed :v

Armlet is legit, the drums+armlet are a bit too much early items. Also the mealstrom is not needed, you have cleave to farm and it doesnt synergise that well with your ult. Also you will probably need a BKB. And the AC also isnt needed that early since sven has good armor, especially with warcry.

Ok ty.
However is drums legit on Sven?
I never saw an Sven build with drums in it.
And does Desolator and Medallion of Courage work with sven?

Yes and no. He cant effect all targets with Deso or MoC, so no. Still, he can amplifies the damage of his main target and the coeave damage is greater.
I dont know. Better ask someone smarter, like Tim or Hamster.

Haha, who's the smart guy now, smart guy? xD




Of course! Stats, movement speed, more mana, decent attack speed, etc. It's more of a mid-game item though, only get it as an early item not later.
Racecar Sven with Drum of Endurance into Sange and Yasha is really fun.



On paper, it works perfectly.
It increases not only your single target damage, but your Great Cleave damage as well. Since cleave damage is based on the damage ACTUALLY done to your target, damage is based on the damage dealt after armor reduction, so cleave damage is amplified as well.
In practice...I usually think that Sven needs attack speed more than other things, though.
Medallion of Courage -> Desolator -> Assault Cuirass Sven sounds really good actually : -18 armor! I used to build Lone Druid this way, it was pretty sick.

I think Maelstrom/ Mjollnir are really good on Sven, not as farming items, but as attack speed/DPS items for teamfights. Sven of one of the best heroes in the game to cast the Mjollnir active on. Generally strength heroes build Assault Cuirass, but armor isn't really Sven's problem so you can get Mjollnir instead.
Sven has already tons of damage from his ult, what he needs is attack speed, and Mjollnir gives more attack speed than any other item.

Ok ty




lol I dont get that meepo picture lol

Yes, it's legit on every single Hero, but you don't need on anyone every single game, if you need to fight and Push earlier, someone should buy it. No real reason why it can't be Sven

Yup, they stack, but since Sven already hits like a truck, but lacks Attack Speed, he doesn't benefit from these very much.

This ^

You already have enough Damage, so Omlette isn't really needed, what you need is a Black King Bar and Attack Speed. Lots of people build Mask of Madness, it's risky, but worth it if you can pull it off.

If there is enough cc on your team I would definetly go for Mask of Madness on Sven since you can just keep hitting people.
If your team lacks cc though you should go for something less risky. Maelstrom can do the job, but having drums and AC could do the job too. It depends on what the situation is and which items the enemy team has.

I always like my MoM on Sven because the attack speed is huge for when you can get it. The increased damage taken is easily offset by how much life you regain thanks to your ult. Also, sorry for being late to the party on this one.

First off, personal love to Hamstertamer. I've been here for a few hours and I've really appreciated all of your contributions I've seen.
This is the only one of your points I disagree with:
"In practice...I usually think that Sven needs attack speed more than other things, though."

From napkin math and personal experience, I've found that anything that multiplies by what an auto-attacker has will work. This is a sloppy rule of thumb (and DPS formulas can only approximate in-game combat) but, generally speaking, I've found a hero with damage likes things like attack speed, armor reduction and crit. It's not that damage suddenly drops in valuable, it's that AS/-Armor/Crit are made more valuable by the fact that they multiply by the damage the hero already has as opposed to adding to it. Sven is an easy person to use napkin DPS math on because he has decent STR and armor from Warcry, making him tanky enough to build glass cannon items like MoM and Medal.
Unfortunately, Daedalus and Desolator come with lots of flat damage, and Helm of the Dominator comes with a lot of armor, which seem to not be as effective as other items in increasing DPS or anti-physical effective health. (I know, it's all on paper, which is very reject-on-principle-able.) On a spreadsheet Sven of variable level with a BKB and Treads hitting a dummy of variable armor, Medal was quite a stunner (though it looks jaw-dropping on paper for nearly everyone, disclaimer: it tapers off about halfway in the game unless you continue stacking -Armor because of how armor is valued blah blah blah), and Butterfly, Mjollnir and Assault Cuirass provided very good damage (in line with attack speed being valued).

With that in mind, I would go Treads->Medal->Armlet->BKB->AC. I agree that Drums is universally lovely, particularly when taking towers apart piece by piece, so if you'd like, throw a Drum in there. Or two. It's more effective to buy another than refill the charges anyway.

Honorable mention goes out to STR, which is worth 3x damage on God's Strength, as well as gives health that goes really far on Warcry's bonus armor. This is, in my opinion, the strong benefit of Armlet of Mordiggian: in addition to the toggle nonsense, Sven also gets 50 more damage out of the active than other heroes, on top of the 25 AS he loves so much.