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Isn't + upgraded Blackhole combined with OP? I mean, the damage is a crazy (7%*4)*2 + 35% = 91% max HP as damage! Of course, any big teamfight skill combined with Blackhole is crazy, but this combo ensures that EVERYBODY DIES. This doesn't even count the Blackhole damage and other source, and if the remaining 4 seconds of the deal full damage, it will be 119% max HP!

I mean, these two can be a crazy combo! Just having this two can probably heavy-counter every teamfight team. So, if we are to create a team that have these two as their core teamfighter, and build the rest of the three to counter-gank/split push, we can have really OP draft?

We can have as a solo off-laner position 3 and as jungler position 4. What we need now just position 1,2 and 5. will be a great position 5 candidate because he can help the combo from anywhere in the map, even if you are split-pushing (let's not forget how great he is at counter gank). Let's not forget that enemy will die instantly once they reach around 12% max HP, wel.... 100-91 is 9%, and it's less than 12%. As of the first, will be perfect in term of the mobility it gives, that he can split-push safely and go out of gank easily. can take the second position, as one of the best space creator in the game, and let's not forget how well he is at split pushing. With this strat, we can have a split-pushing team that counter ganks and split push, and heavy counter a teamfight strat.

So, how do you think of the sample draft?
1: as safe lane carry
2: as mid lane carry
3: as off-laner
4: as jungling support
5: as babysitter support

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It does sound OP when written like that but remember;
How often do you get 5 man black holes?
If the other team is aware of this strat then they will not stand together.
Also if the other team has heroes such as who can stun and they just stand aside; then the plan falls apart.
This strat is based on imo having the other team not work well together AND having both and not on cooldown.

Also if the other team gets killed then they may go for a split push or massive single push which might be a problem.

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If I would see what's going on in this team I would pick .

I see your point. It's just like + + + + combo. Basically all of their skills are team-fight oriented and deal massive AoE damage/cripple, and they can also be a nice team.

1. Faceless Void as safe lane carry
2. Kunkka as offlane semi-carry
3. Magnus as solo mid
4. Disruptor as roaming support
5. Jakiro as babysitter support

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I think there would be problems with getting farmed enough as he has to build aghs. The probably wants to farm both the jungle and split-push the lanes so it might be difficult to find enough farm for the team. I'm not an player but along with boots you'd have to farm at least blink, bkb and aghs and of what I know you also want a and maybe Mek which would be a huge amount of farm.

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antimage+morphling is too greedy, and there is no need to have 2 hard carries in your team.

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I think everyone else has outlined most of the major weaknesses of this draft already

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If I would see what's going on in this team I would pick .

Agreed, fast Push and heavy Split-Push kills your Lineup, and other Cores that can fight and Push early, like , , , etc. can come online faster than and and prevent them from ever getting the farm they need.

Also, with a , you have the option to run an Aggressive which will slaughter your Safe Lane + Jungle. Don't think that this makes your Mid Lane Safe either, as Supports can get a Kill in the Offlane, Smoke up and go Mid instead of Pushing the Tower, shutting down both the and by 10:00

Also, since and are heavily reliant on their Spells to survive Early Game, a Solo Safe / Mid would end up with about 4-5 Kills in the First Night easily (don't forget the easy who'll get Silenced before he can even think of using )

My advice, drop the , only ever pick him if you're going to pick the Team around him, which means making sure that all 4 of the other Heroes are ready to fight the other 5 by no later than 6:00. Go with something less Farm Dependant (since and are greedy enough) and make sure that Hero can fight back against any Agression. So something like basically...

I would also drop the in favour of something more Defensive, that requires absolutely no Farm and just a few levels to function perfectly, like , , , etc. especially since you're completely devoid of any Reliable Stuns. 8{(

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I mentioned also because of the . That would ruin their OP combo quite much.

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So, how do you think of the sample draft?
1: as safe lane carry
2: as mid lane carry
3: as off-laner
4: as jungling support
5: as babysitter support

That's a super greedy lineup: not only you have two hard carries that don't accomplish much for the first 15-20 minutes, you also have a hard farming jungler and a very weak dual lane: playing in a lane without stuns basically means giving a free lane to the enemy off-laner, plus he needs to build an and buying Wards would delay it by a lot.

The + combo is nice, but I'd go for something more mid-game oriented: , and are all good choices because they don't need much to perform well, so you can start fighting at the 20 minute mark and stop any attempt of early pushing that would wreck your team.

If I had to make a team with that combo, I'd do something like this:

Mirana, Slark, Ursa etc. as a safe lane carry (choose one)
A "backup carry" in the mid lane if the safe lane one doesn't manage to snowball ( Shadow Fiend, Naga Siren, Clinkz, Doom, Lycanthrope...), or even Elder Titan mid
Elder Titan in the off-lane or, if you put him mid, another Hero that has some carry potential (especially if he has AoE spells like Bristleback or Centaur Warrunner )
Enigma in the jungle
Dazzle and Shadow Demon are both good choices for the hard support role.

A sample team would be , Lycanthrope, , and : good pushing power and enough space for all the items your team needs (which means no hard support going Mek and good candidates for a situational Vyse/Cuirass/Midas etc). SD + Mirana is also a strong laning combo that might grant you some kills, and with the Lycan getting towers after a pickoff or two will be super easy. The teamfight factor will become useful after pushing down some towers, so the enemies have to group up.

And about , going BKB will solve the issue on both Heroes. ET doesn't need one that much anyways, as he naturally has high HP and only wastes 175 mana per ultimate.

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I think I would draft like so:
-jungle role
semi support
-mid carry-setup-pushing
-support
Safelane carry-splitpush

That gives you very agressive supports, good damage and fantastic teamfight. I think the supports are quite greedy but yeah, I like my greedy supports

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I think this lineup is a bit too jungle dependant, sand king wants to jungle his dagger but with enigma there that will be delayed while naga also wants to clear stacks and flashfarm. So i would replace the sand king with something else, maybe an ancient apparition so you also have ice blast, and chilling touch is really strong on weaver.

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