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What happened with the Octarine Core Terrorblade ?

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Forum » Theory Crafting » What happened with the Octarine Core Terrorblade ? 8 posts - page 1 of 1
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » October 2, 2015 12:55pm | Report
So, we have a patch now, its time to Theorycraft the **** out
With the recent buff of reflection and Metamorph, isn´t Memecore Core on Illidan(the hero, not the player) ?
Inb4 someone says, we have these bad points
1)The Wasted Stats and lifesteal
2)His splitpush is nerfed, so is pointless to build memecore

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cuttleboss » October 2, 2015 1:58pm | Report
If the game gets late enough then sure. However make sure you have core farming items first. This is a 6k gold item that doesn't give a big increase to farm speed nor enough health to out fight everyone. Once you have your big core items like BoTs, Manta, and Skadi then it's an option. Still many times it might be preferred to get more stats for fighting. More regular Terrorblade players help me out on this.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » October 10, 2015 7:09pm | Report
Cuttleboss wrote:

If the game gets late enough then sure. However make sure you have core farming items first. This is a 6k gold item that doesn't give a big increase to farm speed nor enough health to out fight everyone. Once you have your big core items like BoTs, Manta, and Skadi then it's an option. Still many times it might be preferred to get more stats for fighting. More regular Terrorblade players help me out on this.

Yeah i agree with you
i dont know if was hamster or teratriel who proposedthis build, but in his post it was something like bots of travel - yasha- manta - octarine core
i just wanna know it´´s viability cause memecore already acelerate his farm like hell and with the 6.85 buffs it got even better

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cuttleboss » October 10, 2015 7:24pm | Report
Seagull wrote:

First of all, does anyone know if the pros have been experimenting new builds with Terrorblade? Because I'm pretty positive that Octarine Core is the item on him. I feel like Naga has got the most attention with the item's synergy with her skillset, but TB's abilities also benefit greatly of the item. Reduced cd on both Metamorphosis and Conjure Image sound stupidly good. With the item you would have nearly 50% uptime on meta at max level AND three Conjure Images at time for 8 seconds. Not only this but the item also gives a ton of hp, which obviously is great on the hero. Theoretically in the lategame you would also be able to have the Reflection up on the enemy carry almost permanently spell vamping for 25% of the enemy carry's rightclick damage. 30 sec cooldown on Sunder on the other hand means that you could use it twice in a fight.

Of course this doesn't solve Terrorblade's problems as he is still extremely squishy and stuff. He also kind of suffers from the same problem as old PL did: why to pick TB as you can pick Lycan who is stronger at running down towers with his team with a zoo strat, or Naga Siren who is better at ratting by effectively choking out the whole enemy team by limiting their map control to the minimum. Terrorblade would probably be at his strongest at pushing one lane really hard. Thus the nerf to the damage illusions deal to towers hurt him the most. Naga doesn't really care because she's more about risk free creep skipping and lane pressuring anyways.



That's where I first saw it. By Seagull who highlights a lot of it and why it still wasn't good to get on TB last patch. I dunno if it changes now. And yeah, I expected Tera or or Hamster to jump on this, or anyone else who plays TB regularly.. which would be... nobody?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Terathiel » October 10, 2015 7:42pm | Report
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I think it was me (may be wrong), but either way I don't think it's viable now that the Hero is so good at fighting. It wasn't particularly viable before because the illusions still died like flies, and it's gotten even less relevant now.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hamstertamer » October 11, 2015 12:51am | Report
It's a good 6-slot item. It's just a terrible second item.

Manta+Skaydee on every hero (even Lone Druid if you look at Terablade's guides) so get that on TB before you get anything else :)

The point is not to split push, the point is to increase your DPS by making more illusions (1/0.75=33% more illusion DPS, comparable to a Daedalus in some way) while also getting more precious HP. Oh and to decrease Metamorphosis cd to fight more.

But then if you ask me I'll be trying to convince you that the optimal build on TB is a manta and 4 skadis (or a manta, 3 skadis and a nectarine)...skaydee doto best doto look at me I'm the new kyfoid.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » October 11, 2015 4:02am | Report
It's not exactly shocking that a hero who essentially just wants raw stats would benefit from stacking the most stack intensive item in the game... But you'd still build Buttefly at some point on the hero, solely because it forces enemy cores into MKB's, and since you farm quicker you can abuse it early on for your benefit. Kinda similar to Radience only pls no.

As for Octarine Core - On paper it's great. For the exact same reasons it's good on Naga Siren - More illusions more often means that you farm faster, pressure more, and achieve your aim better (In TB's case, that's using stupid amounts of DPS to crush a fight and then flatten a lane of racks or multiple towers off of it). The issue is, there's so much stuff you want sooner; You want to get your Manta, your first Skadi, your probable Butterfly. And you can probably close out games by that point anyway.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » October 11, 2015 5:46am | Report
Hamstertamer wrote:

It's a good 6-slot item. It's just a terrible second item.

Manta+Skaydee on every hero (even Lone Druid if you look at Terablade's guides) so get that on TB before you get anything else :)

The point is not to split push, the point is to increase your DPS by making more illusions (1/0.75=33% more illusion DPS, comparable to a Daedalus in some way) while also getting more precious HP. Oh and to decrease Metamorphosis cd to fight more.

But then if you ask me I'll be trying to convince you that the optimal build on TB is a manta and 4 skadis (or a manta, 3 skadis and a nectarine)...skaydee doto best doto look at me I'm the new kyfoid.

B-b-b-but Memecore is sooo meme that even kyfoid wouldn´t miss it

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