Vlads or MoM

Ok so being starting to play dotos again after a fallout 4 induced break and been playing Ursa and got to ask what do u guys think is better Vladimir offerings or Mask of Madness?? I think i get the advantages of each the lifesteel on swipes for vlads and attack speed for mom(but not so much the extra damage to ur cause of ulti) so which is best guys??

Vlads is usually better than mom cause it gives regen stats and some other things that are really helpful and mom just increases ur atk speed and moves peed by a tad bit which u don't really need much of either cause u r q is a slow and w is an atk speed steroid so Imo mom is better but I've gotten helm sometimes and it also works great for stacking and checking rosh pit

I actually think that you shouldn't upgrade your Morbid Mask on Ursa except in the situations where the upgrade would be good. But mostly you can get away with only the lifesteal to do rosh and to jungle and than spend your money on more usefull items than just a lifesteal upgrade.

In the past I thought Mask of Madness was awful on him but some pros did it (don't ask me how, I don't watch pro games that often).
But I mean you always get 20% lifesteal and the movement speed sounds good too although I would only consider it in very rare cases.

It's a bit of a tricky one really. Ursa needs lifesteal, and has the damage from his passive to make it work from early on.

- MoM leaves you more vulnerable, and you don't especially need the attack speed due to Overpower.

- Vlads. Useful because of the pushing stats on top of the mana regen (actually really useful on him), but isn't a particularly '6 slotted' item.

- HoTD. Possibly into Satanic. Yes, this is possible now Fury Swipes is no longer a UAM. However, doesn't particularly need or use ancient stacks that well, or need the armour. V good super late though.

I personally still tend to build Vlads on him almost because of the Ring of Basilius into Morbid Mask build up being pretty useful early on. But I haven't really tested the other options much.

MoM is a risky pickup, on one hand, it makes it so your fighting a lot less around the cooldown of Overpower, it speeds up Ursa's farm, gives him a cheap source of the movespeed stat (which is the most important stat for Ursa) and it can give you a secondary attack speed burst that Enrage will protect you from. However, one little thing about the MoM's interaction with enrage.



It's additive, not multiplicative. Having enrage and MoM active at once will make Ursa take 50%, not 26% (0.2x1.3=0.26). That means that MoM can still easily backfire on you a lot more than you think it can, and it's just not as efficient as it would be on someone like Dusa.

Probably want to stick with Vlads if you're pushing early, since the auras are nice for that. MoM gives you a higher chance to snowball with kills, and its potential for it is respectable. If game is gonna go late, a HotD to stack some camps (whether hard for yourself, or ancient for someone else on your team that can farm it) will do you good too.

edit: Additive.

Careful, MoM is addictive :D

Fair point Cuttles about the damage reduction stacking additively. Again a completely counter-intuitive feature of dota...

Both Vlads and MoM are viable on Ursa, depends on game. The thing with Ursa is, you need Blink Dagger ASAP so there's no place for Phase Boots or upgrading your Morbid Mask. You need blink before that stuff. Sometimes the best build is to skip lifesteal completely and go plain Boots of Speed into Blink Dagger. You can go vlads or MoM *after* that, but at that point it's a detail, not an important decision in any way.

Your impact as Ursa depends completely on your blink timing, any other item is essentially irrelevant in comparison.

thx for the info/clarifying the math helpful


Yea that's were i first saw it RTZ playing Ursa

not sure that classifiers the issue but thx for the opinions and perspectives all the same

Hey man
until you reach the level of like 5K go vlads trust me cuz it also benefits your team a lot
Armour regen both health and mana plus and early basi is good for lanes
MOM pros do it cuz the other 4 players can manage it on their own shanghai major saw it as i guess the only build on ursa by RTZ but hey u aint pro for attack speed overpower is enough and movt speed there is a reason why blink is core and you get phase boots and no extra damage in the late game go for sata selling it
Anyways GG