Orchid + Ethereal Blade

shouldnt the Int difference with an aganims (which would replace one of the scythes) be even lower?

125 (OD base int at lvl 25) + 10 (agas) + 35 (scythe) + 24 (dagon) + 25 (orchids) + 10 (Eblade) + 6 (Veil) =
235. - 57 Int from the target (IF PA or warlord) = 178

The Int Difference is 35-10 == 25, the calculation you quoted is another 6 lower because I didn't add Veil into the equation at that point, I added it in within the 2nd post though.

You get 178 with Aghs, I get 203 with 2nd Sheepstick 203-178 == 25, the expected difference.

Veil was my first suggestion, but it was the 2nd thing I did the Math for...I probably could have been clearer on that ._.

Xyrus I like your idea, but what if we throw a refresher into the mix instead of a second Scythe? Also you forgot to calculate the damage from the dagon..

If we are talking ipothetically shouldn't we assume 4 stacks of Astral Imprisonment on Troll?

That would increase the stat difference by 80 I think.
I probably have missed it but I didn't see it added to the last calculations.


Also I like where this discussion is going. A lot.

This should all be without determining astral imprisonment,, toss out Dagon, throw in refresher, your max damage for one eclipse won't matter if you drop it twice. All this damage can be stopped by one item too unfortunately. I'd seriously drop one item to get the refresher in there, two hammerfalls always better than 1, and rampages make me smile

Nope, didn't bother calculating it, but yes, it would increase the Int difference by 80.

I did not forget the Dagon, I was just too lazy.

I don't think troll has 80 INT to steal at level 25.

troll would have 57 as well, if he wouldnt have any additional int items....
but if OD steals 40 of troll, this would mean, that OD also gets 40, making the difference 80.