What Steam/Ice Frogger + Community should have done a long time ago...

What I am ultimately getting at here is that there are situations in this game where you are going to die, or have such a high risk of dying that it is certainly wise to progress your item build right in your stash, keeping gold spent so that if you do die, you take minimal gold loss.

Soul Ring isn't really for most int heroes, you'll mostly actually see it on strength heroes that don't have a large mana pool, that way they can afford to lose 150 hp. Skeleton King, Omniknight, sometimes Earthshaker, or Sven. It just depends. The only Int heroes that should ever get it are those that have the ability to heal and mitigate the health cost, like Dazzle. Otherwise just save a few hundred more gold and get Arcane's.

As for what Kyfoid's OP, stats don't win games. You aren't benefiting new players by telling them to build stats every game, they learn nothing about the complexities of the game and will get crushed by a single guy that knows how to Armlet toggle or builds a Mek or picks someone like Ursa or Lifestealer that have specific item counters that stop them from killing you. Stats aren't incredibly effective, you're much better off worrying about positioning and knowing when to cast spells instead of relying on being tanky/having a large mana pool. I will honestly buy you a ticket for a pro tournament if you just promise to watch it, pros do none of the things you argue are good, and do plenty of the things you argue are bad (numerous pros think Centaur is incredibly strong, hence why he's disallowed in CM at the moment).

See the horrible ASSumption and defense mode that this community gets in to when I make points and suggestions that have NOTHING to do with changing the core of the game!

That's why they don't even quote such nonsense from my writing as no such statement exists.

Agreed with frogger, there's a reason why these items exist and why IceFrog keep performing edits on them to stabilize them. I don't know what you're getting at, but bending the game to your own playing style will just screw the whole game up. If I can bent this game, I would probably be the only one owning here. Take this as an example:

Naga Siren
- Mirror Image deals 100% damage and takes 450% damage.
- Ensnare as it is, but with a longer casting range.
- Rip Tide deals the same damage, armor reduction + 50% ms slow.
- Song of the Siren All units becomes invulnerable but only naga can attack them.

If this were to happen, what would other players do? Let me farm on them every game?

I've changed my mind about centaur war-runner because of my current approach which I am not sure is orthodox or not, I show this in the replay. I think he's good.

However, all stat items do exist in the game and there should be a place for it on particular characters. It shouldn't just be a time where it is used as a back up way to ..what... spend off some excess money that you happen to have when you are at your fountain? No.

When I say the all stat approach I realize that there is another way to approach it which consists of ghost scepters or ultimate orbs in to eyes of skadis.

The approach that I am talking about, like I have said time and time again which people fail to address, is the approach which consists of keeping gold spend on circlets, strength gloves, and recipes for bracers.

There is what, 6 slots in the stash holder?

This means you could buy 3 str gloves, 3 circlets and start purchasing recipes for bracers which will keep a good deal of time occupied where if you die you will take minimal gold loss.

IF the character is a great all stat character then he can even get the benifit of this apporach in to the long term with drums of endurance.

What is this related to... I don't even....

No, no Kyfoid, this is what you're suggesting by talking about soul ring in this forum. Basically, wanting to bend the games to your will. Here is what I said I will do if I can bent in as you said. The whole game will be totally unbalanced with naga siren running an overkill.

Kyfoid, when we say the core of the game, we mean the whole nature of the game. DotA is a challenging game where you must use your reflexes, knowledge, intuition, strategy, etc to win a game. It is very hard, and many things are situational and good decision making throughout your team on items, actions and heroes is crucial for your own team.

That is the "core" of the game- would you be able to say the same when it is possible to win a game by memorizing and using a grand total of less than 10 items for every game and just kill and push away? Surely not. Not only that, it would also be less fun. It's hard, and that's why it's fun for us.

Let me provide this quality example for you all with this question....

How many times have you ever found yourself running from the enemy team with not quite the amount of gold you need to purchase the item that you want, or even half the gold that you need...

After you die you think, damn, there was a window of opportunity during that chase where I would have surely spent off all my gold on something but I was in the middle of trying to get away from my opponent and wasn't able to do that, but the game doesn't dis allow you from purchasing the item.

*Is this suggesting that I have to have so much skill to be a pro that when I am running I should be able to open up the items tab and spend off all my gold effectively when running from the enemy?

Imagine a program that you could set up which would spend off all your remaining gold a a designated item that might not be the item you wanted but would take if you knew you were going to die.

Formula = If I have this much gold at this time and am nearly going to die in a chase, I hit a button and it spends that gold putting THAT item in my inventory.


Many companies sometimes look at game altering programs and find something like that as being perfectly acceptable rather then hacking.

That would defeat the purpose of micro-management now would it? You're suppose to be -

Oh, I'm gonna die. Quick, let me get back to my shop and right-click that **** and so.

Then, when you respawn grab it and go for revenge.