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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by ThreadOfFate » July 18, 2014 11:27pm | Report
So we got together to play a match with each of our best played. She went Cm and I went Naga (mythical items ftw)
We got tons of early kills for me, and I got radiance by 14 mins. We were on the track to win but...The undying had no idea what he was doing, and fed the enemy void faster than I could rat dota them to death.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » July 19, 2014 1:14am | Report
I'm tempted to rate my my own performance. It wasn't my best honestly, the lag was unbearably bad util the end of the game (typical). I'm presuming that we got put on EU East, so next time we'll try EU West only so hopefully I can show you my true POWAH.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » July 19, 2014 2:52am | Report
I would say that you could have won this by looking at dotabuff. Your amount of lasthits is really low and you should have getten a manta before butterfly, becouse it gives more illusions, and butterfly doent help against void anyway.

Try to **** with their pushes by sending illusions to cut or pull away their creepwaves before they get into the base.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » July 19, 2014 2:53am | Report
At that point, you should have taken the fight to the Faceless Void, because you were fatter, and he had no Black King Bar either. You had to adapt, because in all honesty, you had every single answer to their line-up.

The Chronosphere easiest to stop, since if you don't get into it, you can just use Song of the Siren, and make him useless, since he had no BKB.
Sniper is just fish food to Ensnare or Frostbite. Io was... well Io, and the Witch Doctor again, Frostbite or Ensnare stops Death Ward.

I presume Invoker would have been the hardest to deal with, since only Shadow Fiend had BKB, and Queen of Pain got a dagon?!?! instead of BKB.

Tombstone I presume was good in teamfights, but as I see, the Undying was trash, as you said.

TL;DR You should have quit the RAT, and bring the fight to the Void. Maybe a smoke gank with you and Bunkan. (or hell, the entire team).

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by ThreadOfFate » July 19, 2014 3:07am | Report
Wulfstan wrote:

At that point, you should have taken the fight to the Faceless Void, because you were fatter, and he had no Black King Bar either. You had to adapt, because in all honesty, you had every single answer to their line-up.

The Chronosphere easiest to stop, since if you don't get into it, you can just use Song of the Siren, and make him useless, since he had no BKB.
Sniper is just fish food to Ensnare or Frostbite. Io was... well Io, and the Witch Doctor again, Frostbite or Ensnare stops Death Ward.

I presume Invoker would have been the hardest to deal with, since only Shadow Fiend had BKB, and Queen of Pain got a dagon?!?! instead of BKB.

Tombstone I presume was good in teamfights, but as I see, the Undying was trash, as you said.

TL;DR You should have quit the RAT, and bring the fight to the Void. Maybe a smoke gank with you and Bunkan. (or hell, the entire team).

I may or may not have mentioned that I didn't see the SF use his ulti once. Ever. Even whe my song was the PERFECT setup for it on several occasions.

Thing is, the void was specifically chrono-ing me, but I did do that once, and he once used it on an illusion.

Between Cold snap, Headshot and Timelock, I was pretty much permastunned in teamfights, which is why I got butterfly to atleast dodge some of those cold snap attacks an such. Add WD's stun to that, and I was locked down.

Bkb would have been a brilliant option, but I was far too focused on ratting and damage items, which was my downfall in the end.

Counterpushing? They did almost 0 pushes until the last teamfight when all of us except undying were dead (fitting, I suppose)

Those two moves WOULD have shut down death ward, but I was either IN the chronosphere when he used it, or Bunkan was dead.

Smoke ganks, good old smoke ganks. They answer so many of dota's problems.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » July 19, 2014 3:17am | Report
I dont agree with fighting them, without manta and diffusal your damage isnt that impressive yet.

The main thing to practice is your micro, you should have about 2X the amount of lasthits at that point. Along with your manta and diffusal. Just remember to get the manta early.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by sulaxrox » July 19, 2014 3:21am | Report
Also, probs didn't help that Shadow Fiend had 3 different unique attack modifiers and considering they don't stack..he essentially wasted a metric ton of gold.
Step 1: Pick Bristleback
Step 2: type in all chat:"GL hf"
Step 3: solo offlane
Step 4: first blood triple kill solo vs trilane
Step 5: continue head butting keyboard
Step 6: don't care, Bristleback doesn't give a ****
Step 7: screenshot repeated: BB OP comments in all chat
Step 8: alternate games with Slark pick

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » July 19, 2014 3:30am | Report
Having only 30 last hits more than SF isn't a good thing by any means, you can easily get 9 per minute or 10 if you try hard enough. I don't really believe in this "ratting" of yours.
"When game is going full ******, you can only go with it. If you start going against it, if you start going half ******, you´re ****ing done for. When Aloha decides to go middle rubick you let him, and you start buying orb of venom on invoker. That's how dota works" -n0tail

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by sulaxrox » July 19, 2014 3:40am | Report
This match: http://dotabuff.com/matches/772550707 is a better idea for you to see where you should be as a Naga Siren. The problem is, looking at your Kd you weren't ratting, you were fighting. Naga excels at indirect fighting, split pushing, and team fight control, ie. setting up big combos
Step 1: Pick Bristleback
Step 2: type in all chat:"GL hf"
Step 3: solo offlane
Step 4: first blood triple kill solo vs trilane
Step 5: continue head butting keyboard
Step 6: don't care, Bristleback doesn't give a ****
Step 7: screenshot repeated: BB OP comments in all chat
Step 8: alternate games with Slark pick

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » July 19, 2014 4:17am | Report
sulaxrox wrote:

This match: http://dotabuff.com/matches/772550707 is a better idea for you to see where you should be as a Naga Siren. The problem is, looking at your Kd you weren't ratting, you were fighting. Naga excels at indirect fighting, split pushing, and team fight control, ie. setting up big combos

Well unless you went for some weird deathpush your items werent that good either.

No travels, no manta, a rapier? That doesnt even work on illusions.

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