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Forum » Hero & Item Ideas » Aghanim's Scepter Ideas! 33 posts - page 3 of 4
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by commandojimbob » November 26, 2013 2:34am | Report
Chaos Knight - rather than upgrade his ultimate (well i have a little), what about upgrading all his abilities so that they are less "chaos" and more "certain":

Chaos Bolt : Max stun & Max damage at each level
Reality Rift : Brings his victim and all controlled illusions to his location
Chaos Strike : Chance to crit 20%
Phantasm : Duration increased to 30

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by nuclearengie » November 26, 2013 6:48am | Report
I'm sure CK will love an item that makes his abilities less chaotic.
"Knowledge is power" -Sir Francis Bacon
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by KEMEK » November 26, 2013 8:32am | Report

Chaos Knight - rather than upgrade his ultimate (well i have a little), what about upgrading all his abilities so that they are less "chaos" and more "certain":

Chaos Bolt : Max stun & Max damage at each level
Reality Rift : Brings his victim and all controlled illusions to his location
Chaos Strike : Chance to crit 20%
Phantasm : Duration increased to 30


And the "Chaos Knight" name no longer suits him.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by commandojimbob » November 26, 2013 8:51am | Report
KEMEK wrote:



And the "Chaos Knight" name no longer suits him.


I hear your point - ok what you could do is this :

Chaos Bolt : Shift the inverse relations a long 1 level and lvl 4 now becomes : 2-5 sec stun, 125-300 damage
Reality Rift : Shift the levels along 1 and lvl 4 now becomes : Cast range 750, bonus damage 125, cooldown 3 secs
Chaos Strike : Chance to crit 15%, shift the levels along 1 and lvl 4 becomes : 350%
Phantasm : Duration increased but becomes random between 20 - 30 seconds

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » November 26, 2013 3:34pm | Report
Instead of changing the non-ultimate spells from Chaos Knight, why not simply reduce the amount of damage clones take by 50% so now they only take 25% more damage instead of 50% and increase clone count to 2/3/4. If IF doesn't want to increase clone count then a decrease in cooldown and/or mana would work wonders since there will be more options during the later stages of mid game.

Chaos Knight's abilities aren't really that random and they're already very strong on its own. The damage from Chaos Bolt is not important and is a guaranteed 2s at level 4. Chaos Strike works under a pseudo-random mechanic; meaning each time you don't crit, the higher the chance you'll crit the next time.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hi-Breed » November 28, 2013 6:23pm | Report
Wow!...

Wow.

As Nubtrain said,

Nubtrain wrote:

Chaos Knight's abilities aren't really that random and they're already very strong on its own.


Chaos Knight really is a very strong hero. Just don't tell that to anyone: I'm afraid he'll be nerfed pretty soon now. ^^

I have a guide for this fella that (I strived to) hone(s) his skills here:

http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/i-a-m-hot-prc-chaos-in-depth-guide-6714

Just take a moment to think about how he increases his DPS to 400% after casting a level 3 Phantasm: Phantom Assassin is speechless.

And if she dares saying something, I compare her 52.5 DPS increase coming from her ulti with my 20% DPS increase coming from my Chaos Strike. x4 now means 80% on top of that 400% coming from his ultimate! ^^

Any other 'improvement' is pure mockery against the other heroes:

- a 3 seconds Reality Rift grants a kill each 3 seconds in my humble opinion. 480% then another 480% and 'just wait' 1-2 seconds until Reality Rift is off cooldown. They'll go down like flies!

- another Phantasm illusion for 600% DPS output at his level 3 Phantasm. How about that? Chaos Knight can now play 1 vs. 6! Until now he could 'merely' play 1 vs. 4...

- decrease in cooldown or mana for Phantasm? OK, you now can really play 1 vs. ALL THE ENEMY TEAM, while for the mana decrease 'problem', just go read my guide (or buy a Scythe of Vyse!).

Bottom line, he's a great hero that should only fear (heavy) AoE casters (for single-out-ing him from his illusions) and cleavers (for the same reason).

But except Sven (maybe Tidehunter and Warlock, too) all other AoE casters go down like flies. And compare 480% DPS output to a 1-on-1 against any cleaver without a disable. Even if he has a non-AoE disable: which mirror image will he target now?!?...

Not to mention you can kill them even if you died, by means of a Phantasm illusion that does full damage! I always get commended for that!

Chaos Knight IS a very strong hero already.


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hi-Breed » November 28, 2013 6:31pm | Report
enderarms wrote:

AGHANIM'S SCEPTER IDEAS
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Magnus: Enemies caught in his ultimate have controls switched for 5 seconds afterward.
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This is fuNking hilarious! I am totally for that!

And Magnus will end up being picked by 50%+ of the players. ^^

Come on, playing is for fun!


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by saifthedestroyer » November 29, 2013 12:59am | Report
@Hi-Breed
If you think PA cant do ANYTHING vs a CK, You're gonna have a bad time xD
i rush mask of madness and basher on puck :3

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Hi-Breed » December 1, 2013 8:02am | Report

@Hi-Breed
If you think PA cant do ANYTHING vs a CK, You're gonna have a bad time xD


You're not that far off, but neither do I. ^^

In order to be effective, Phantom Assassin needs a Battle Fury and a Black King Bar for ~8000 gold.

But I can kill her in two hits with 4 mirror images for 2*480%=960% of my DPS output without having any items at all.

If she'll choose Battle Fury, I stun her, she's dead.

If she'll choose Black King Bar, at least we'll be draw, as for sure one of my Phantasm illusion WILL kill her if she kills me first.

And I can even kill her if she doesn't crit and even if she does (once), I have plenty of HP left (while my illusions could have just died) compared to her that will allow me to take the crit damage and still kill her. ^^

You noticed I don't have any items while she might have one or both.

The bad thing is that my ulti is once each 140 seconds, while her is permenent.

That's why Blade Mail shines on Chaos Knight, except against active Black King Bar (and Repel, maybe?).

I killed a lot of squishy hard carries having a 2200 Blade Mail on Chaos Knight, you should try it. ^^


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » December 1, 2013 10:44pm | Report
Hi-Breed wrote:



You're not that far off, but neither do I. ^^

In order to be effective, Phantom Assassin needs a Battle Fury and a Black King Bar for ~8000 gold.

But I can kill her in two hits with 4 mirror images for 2*480%=960% of my DPS output without having any items at all.

If she'll choose Battle Fury, I stun her, she's dead.

If she'll choose Black King Bar, at least we'll be draw, as for sure one of my Phantasm illusion WILL kill her if she kills me first.

And I can even kill her if she doesn't crit and even if she does (once), I have plenty of HP left (while my illusions could have just died) compared to her that will allow me to take the crit damage and still kill her. ^^

You noticed I don't have any items while she might have one or both.

The bad thing is that my ulti is once each 140 seconds, while her is permenent.

That's why Blade Mail shines on Chaos Knight, except against active Black King Bar (and Repel, maybe?).

I killed a lot of squishy hard carries having a 2200 Blade Mail on Chaos Knight, you should try it. ^^


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PA has evasion.You need a Monkey King Bar to kill Phantom Assassin reliably, and she'll most likely 1 shot your Phantasms.Not to mention that your items cost closely enough gold as PA's core does.

Blade Mail doesn't shine on chaos knight, the point of Phantasm is that it gives you an extra 2 seconds before people can actually figure out which is the real CK so you don't have to pop BKB so soon.

If people will see a giant rider with spikes coming out of his body, I am pretty sure they won't hit you unless they have magic immunity.

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