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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » July 17, 2013 12:32pm | Report
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YOu get the RoH at around the 4-5 minute mark with your cs gold. And you do know RoH builds into things like a battlefury or a perserverance. Its also a disposable item to some carries.


Or a Linken's Sphere.Or you could just keep it there for the regen.Or a Hood of Defiance if magic damage is the name of the game.But, as Atlas said, taking doto advice from you would be really bad.(by you I mean Kyfoid, so its clarified)

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » July 17, 2013 12:40pm | Report
Those 12 out of 17 games mean nothing when you're in a bracket of newcomers and low priority players. We saw the games you've played and we showed why your logic doesn't work but you refuse to listen. You continue to go into forums posting HUGE wall of text when the point of the post "was basically double boots OP jaja" so not only are you wasting people's time, you're ironically wasting your own time.

You say we attack you when we LOGICALLY show you the math to why your ideas don't work. AbsoIF did the math for double boost, basically why the cost and slot for the 2nd boot is not worth it but you continue to ignore COMMON SENSE.

TL:DR When we break down your logic you refuse to listen and insist on putting on a philosophical facade over your ignorance and arrogance.

Edit: Those games you won are thanks to the players who carried you.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 12:53pm | Report
But even I understand that mask of madness is not meant for every hero or situation, I'm just trying to understand what I know to be true.

For example, I fully understood that mask of madness was and is intended for glass cannon carries because melee characters must deal with the issue of closing the gap against ranged. This is precisely why you almost always see a MoM on a spirit breaker... he closes the gap period.

If you have a design concept like axe though, for example, his AIM is to get opponents to target /attack him. Sure this is revealed by his design through his Q, but it is a far cry from reaching a level of kill security. Therefore, you ask yourself the question... "If my E is the defining skill of my character because of both its power and passive, then how can I take full advantage of it in an offensive manner?" and why is offence the ultimate aim here? Because the greatest defense is almost entirely offense.

Even if there are arguments for why it isn't, dota would not be Entertaining game that it is today with out aggressive offense... That's what kept startcraft alive it is at the root the same game "Strategy", people doing refined all in build orders with creative improvisation... People need to respect Offensive play.

So how do you get guys to target and attack you when you are in the proximity to him them with your E passive? Simple, a combination of MS and DPS.

So... as I said, if someone can force staff axe in to proximity, MoM can and does work just fine and fulfills that aim.

MoM on Tranq on Phase on a basic shield to turn to vanguard has great potential.

MoM also farms particularly well.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » July 17, 2013 12:56pm | Report
^All this is basically what I mean, what a parasite to the community.

You're basically explaining a basic idea on playing Axe, this adds nothing to any discussion.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 1:00pm | Report
"A perfection of means and confusion of aims seems to be our biggest problem" - Einstein


btw, that saying "The greatest defense is practically pure offense" is a concept that is more applicable to missile heroes...

But this game does have skills and basic stats that conflict or promote that depending on the hero.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » July 17, 2013 1:02pm | Report
My means and aims are perfectly clear, you're being a hypocrite now when you ignore counter-argument. Your close-mindedness is showing very clearly btw!

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 1:08pm | Report
I will admit though that axes base MS is not that great which means that opponents may have MS to the point where this approach would not be ideal.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Atlas » July 17, 2013 1:15pm | Report
Kyfoid wrote:

"A perfection of means and confusion of aims seems to be our biggest problem" - Einstein


btw, that saying "The greatest defense is practically pure offense" is a concept that is more applicable to missile heroes...

But this game does have skills and basic stats that conflict or promote that depending on the hero.

Why throw out quotes like that, when they have nothing to do with anything.

Einstein used that when pertaining to nationalism and what the goals should be of a nation, this was in the context of the second world war.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 1:26pm | Report
Too bad he is not here for you to ask him if it was intended towards psychology and the human condition, which is equally as probable.

Morals, etc.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Atlas » July 17, 2013 2:11pm | Report
Nationalism is part of the human condition. It still doesn't apply to dota or the argument in the least.

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