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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Atlas » July 17, 2013 8:19am | Report
Kyfoid wrote:


You will need the heal from tranquility to deal with harassemnt. In order to save money, not spending it on health pots, you start with ring of regen and defense ring to quickly make tranqs at side shop, simple logic.




Ring of Health is plenty sufficient to deal with in-lane harass if you're the carry. If you're not the carry, you're wasting gold on what tangos and salves can fix, and leaving your team without courier/wards.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 9:57am | Report
Atlas wrote:



Ring of Health is plenty sufficient to deal with in-lane harass if you're the carry. If you're not the carry, you're wasting gold on what tangos and salves can fix, and leaving your team without courier/wards.


1 ring of health? No. Now you are just being closed minded.

Let me tell you why an open mind is so important.

An open mind if the critical first step to your evolution because "The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend" - Henry Bergson

Please, just go to school.

What you need is some severe long term "Preparation".

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by manic_e » July 17, 2013 10:31am | Report
Kyfoid wrote:



1 ring of health? No. Now you are just being closed minded.

Let me tell you why an open mind is so important.

An open mind if the critical first step to your evolution because "The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend" - Henry Bergson

Please, just go to school.

What you need is some severe long term "Preparation".

Nice logical fallacy bro. He's right about RoH and perhaps you are the one who is being closed minded.

I'm all for going against the normal builds and experimenting. For example I'll build Nyx with phase boots and battle fury and no dagon. Now some people will say that's wrong but I find it works well. But double boots is an indefensible position. It's been shown mathematically to be a waste of money and inventory space. If you want to play like that, then it's your prerogative but don't expect others to take the idea at all seriously when they've been presented with evidence indisputably proving the idea to be wrong.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 10:34am | Report
Overlooking one glaringly obvious point... you don't start out with 875 gold to purchase a ring of health.

By his assertion, he would be rushing a vanguard.

You are going to rush a Ring of Health over getting a shield first? O really?


It was very kind of him to explain so clearly his intention.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by manic_e » July 17, 2013 11:13am | Report
You can also go hood of defiance or whatever it's called, or you can go perseverance into whatever. There's so many options from RoH that's why so many people will pick it up early. Now if you wanted to go Tranquil on their own that's fine. Personally I prefer to get them on squishy supports but each to their own. But you don't need two sets of boots one for healing one for damage when there are other better items to get. Go healing and buy actual damage items or go damage and buy healing items. simples.

edit: btw if I happen to random someone who will use a RoH I will sometimes go to lane with no items and buy it from the side shop as soon as the game starts. But maybe that's just me.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Atlas » July 17, 2013 11:19am | Report
Kyfoid, you're being a massive hypocrite.

As well, your dotabuff winrate speaks for itself. Taking your advice for DotA would be like taking financial advice from a homeless person.

Listen to the community first, when you can listen to the community and take their advice seriously, maybe then they will start taking you a bit more seriously.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Kyfoid » July 17, 2013 11:54am | Report
Won my last 12 of 17 games played in random all pick pubs with no partner.

But those types of matches mean nothing remember?

Either make it significant or don't.

500 games ago I was new to dota, but I'm a supererior at game balance analyses and philosophical expression.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by AbsolF » July 17, 2013 12:02pm | Report
Inb4lock. Again.
Because starting with headdress is effective according to our balance analyst.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Ancient Hero » July 17, 2013 12:10pm | Report
Kyfoid wrote:

Overlooking one glaringly obvious point... you don't start out with 875 gold to purchase a ring of health.

By his assertion, he would be rushing a vanguard.

You are going to rush a Ring of Health over getting a shield first? O really?


It was very kind of him to explain so clearly his intention.


YOu get the RoH at around the 4-5 minute mark with your cs gold. And you do know RoH builds into things like a battlefury or a perserverance. Its also a disposable item to some carries.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Atlas » July 17, 2013 12:12pm | Report
Kyfoid wrote:

Won my last 12 of 17 games played in random all pick pubs with no partner.

But those types of matches mean nothing remember?

Either make it significant or don't.

500 games ago I was new to dota, but I'm a supererior at game balance analyses and philosophical expression.


I've been playing for 6ish years now. There's a reason pros don't run Luna as a support with a DK in the lane with her. There's a reason they don't run double boots (with the exception of having Arcane's and the buildup for tranq's SOMETIMES just so they can disassemble and get both bonuses, but never do they buy two boots), there's a reason they don't run mask of madness on every hero, there's a reason they don't run duo-lane Dark Seer. Winning a few pubs means nothing when overall you're still playing in the lowest skill bracket in the game.

I in no way write this as any kind of personal attack, I just wish you would listen to the community you are so active in. Obviously there's a reason you keep hanging around here, which is great, but you should value the opinions of the people that are only trying to help you get better.

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