My Dark Seer Replay

Match I.D. 237243708

I'm not going to make any responding comment on this thread, I am just going to let the replay speak for itself.

Hopefully, this thread can be used as a future reference for the type of thread that I will make if I make one that will not get locked.

Going in to free camera mode and double click the darkseer's portrait pic to stay fixed on him.

In the replay, I solo lane 1 against 2, a pugna and kunka, dominating on experience, gold, lane control(for the most part) etc.

I start with tranq components in to boots, in to shield and MoM.

Here are a few of my own criticisms in the replay.

-I didn't at least build a crystalis/daedalus after maxing out my dagon, which is practically necessary to go along with a MoM if you get one...

-I relied too heavily on my ulti early on.... which caused myself some deaths that hindered my dagon progress, which is what I really should of been trying to dominate with.

What I realized about this character is that he doesn't necessarily need or use his speed boost with ion shell until it's higher level, sure, he can use it to escape but that only really means that you need 1 point if any point at all. If your fast enough with the boots you use and they don't wield much stun, it's unnecessary.

Points in stats and ion shell , tranq, shield MoM is all you need to be a powerful farmer and lane dominator early on, and once you can do this, you can max out a dagon uber fast... ultimately wielding the power of supreme executive authority.

After dagon... then what? Daedulus to at least balance out the MoMs lack of safety... Life leaching to balance out the excessive damage taken...

And or, would you end with an algeimz /referesher orb so that his ultimate is actually meaningfully significant?

Dischord for ion? Ethereal blade for dagon?

This character is obviously a major game influencer because of his design concept and when I'm sick of losing, if I am, I just choose him.



I do want to add though, that there is nothing more hilarious then being thrown by tiny when using ion shell.



I also want to add that another option, instead of getting his ultimate, or points in stats, is to just max vacuum along side ion shell.... and then maybe stats before ulti, his ulti is not worthwhile until it is maxed + algeimz, and then great once you hit the refresher.

Personally, I just like the stats... MoM, Tranqs use mana so... why add vacuum? not really out of the question if you got the mana to pull it off, so if you had a wand then maybe.

http://www.dotafire.com/dota-2/guide/dark-seer-master-manipulator-3090

You're on a guide site, try using guides here to see if they work.

Darkseer isn't a carry. He's a support.
Ion Shell is the best spell he has and should be leveled first
take 2 levels in surge early on for escape
max vacuum next
take wall at level 10&11&16
buy mek,pipe,scepter (late pickup), BKB (situational)
Initiate with Wall/Vac combo, spam some ion shells in there and win. Make sure you communicate with your team - Dark seer is meh at best on his own.

DO NOT BUY MoM, daedalus, dagon or anything like this. Once again, he's a support.


No, all you need is ion shell and you can wipe creep waves fast as. You can also have fun doing a run around with ion shell on yourself while they try to right click you near creeps.
once again - MoM - Bad

u get a MoM on a hero with one of the ****tiest attack animations and bad damage growth. He is a utility hero that is a great mek and pipe carrier due to his tankiness as a int hero. He isnt a good eth blade carrier since he doesnt have a good int growth and not much reliable magic damage. Shivas is a great item on him as well

Utility is very important and Dark Seer is really good at it.

But guys, you realize that Kyfoid is always focusing on a solo-playing type build. Pubstomp. So pretty Dagon, and crit. Those are troll, pub-stomp items on certain heroes (like DS). So there really is no point in indicating the way Dark Seer should be played as the idea of this build is to try and pubstomp with any character there is regardless of his role in structured play.

:P

It's like the Blinking and Slamming AM guide. If you get enough farm early enough and the enemy is noob enough it actually does work, but in any kind of structured or higher level bracket it would fail because it doesn't utilize AM's strengths.

Same with this. DS is a utility support offlaner, and should be played as such in medium-high bracket and in structured games. But when playing low-level pubs with the purpose of pub-stomping... you get Daedelus on DS.

if you wear tranqs at start you will be at 375 speed

With MoM = 30%, .30 x 375 = 487.5

Max Ms = 522

Surge 1 - 522 ms for 3 seconds, 20 mana cost

MoM - 487.5 ms for 12 seconds, 25 mana cost

Surge 4 - 522 ms for 7.5 seconds, 50 mana cost

MoM - 487.5 ms for 12 seoconds, 25 mana cost.


Now you must, with full proof, explain why you would rather Max surge with what item equal to MoM cost, rather then put 4 skill points in stats and use a MoM.

Sure, the MoM has you taking more damage, but you are now life stealing and doing more DPS on regular attack.

Which holds the ion shell on the opponent better is the real question... Yeah, if you were fighting a luna.... MAYBE you would max surge and use a different item.


Daedalus is an option after max dagon simply because MoM and Daedalus go hand and hand... why would I desire this wreckless attack speed with life leach if I wasn't going to use a damaging crit item?

Dark seer is a farmer, the cost of MoM is hardly an obstacle if he stays on a lane.



I will say this though... after dagon, you don't need to get Daedalus, Hell, you don't NEED to get dagon.

Another idea is Dischord in to Shivas Guard so that you can hit a number of guys with Dischord, charge in with MoM, shivas guard + ion shell.

But max dagon rocks on him because of how fast he farms it.


Dark seer with merely maxed dagon and the others is as good as a huskar.

You haven't read the previous posts.
If dota was a 1v1 game, I might agree with you. But its not.
I don't care what items you build, you ain't gonna carry. I've played against a carry dark seer plenty of times. You pop surge/mom, I'm gonna stun you and through a team at you.

So lookingayt your figures, leta go similar
Dark seer with mom - still a terrible attack animation and damage (carry vs carry)
Anti mage - can blink in, does lots of damage (usually with cleave) and burns your mana .
Winner - am

Now, let's look at you playing dark seer aas a team player.
Dark seer uses his wall vac combo.
Leshrac stuns
Warlock ults
Ds pops ion shell on huskar
Huskar kills guys
Ds pops mek for whole team
Ds gives surge to the huskar to catch the blinking am.

Sure, that situation requires coordination and poor dark seer doesn't get a rampage. But then you spam ion shell on yourself and 5 man push the base and win.

At the end is the Game, only one stat matters. Number of ancients destroyed.

Learn to play support.

Seriously

Seriously guys, I don't think you're ever going to win this arguement as he just doesn't get it. Let Kyfoid play his way, if he's successful he'll move up the brackets and come up against players and team that will destroy him, then maybe he'll get what you're trying to say to him. I like that he thinks differently about the game and is willing to try out crazy ideas...eventually though the reality will catch up with him...until then you're wasting your time.

True man. I just can't resist. My brain is telling me to stop while my fingers stay typing

Wall + cuum not good till late game, simple truth.

Because I use MoM, I can't use ion shell on other people?

Mekanism, oh so that's the item you would choose along side surge instead of MoM and stats, k.


You simnply didn't read what I wrote, It's not a matter of me being right, it's a matter of me being right about the right options.

After MoM, dagon or daedus, take your pic, or dischord + shifas guard, take your pic.