Xyrus's Inhouse Rant + Poll

To be fair, I see people make the same mistakes constantly even after having them pointed out. Waloo can and does point out mistakes or tell you to do something calmly the 1st time you do it, but around about the 3rd or 4th time of saying it, he does start to get salty. For example:-

You die out of position once? Fair enough. Die out of position in the exact same spot 3 times, and this is where the salt starts. It is very easy to avoid doing the same thing 3 times in a row. I'm not going to start comparing who has a worse time between the salters and saltees, but is is...unpleasant for both sides.

Like it or not, when a less experienced player makes a mistake, they'll usually make that mistake repeatedly. They need that mistake pointing out, and it benefits them in the long run, as it's usually a mistake they'll make in most of the games they play. It's easier to see your mistakes if someone else points them out.

I didn't say anything like this. I meant that higher competence players don't see their mistakes pointed out by others so they end up not following the "responsability rule" that they appregoate.




Congrats on your achieved mmr. When was the last time you took advice from a low mmr player in a in-house? And without freaking out/disconnecting?




I don't even have mmr, I'm that bad. And still, that game no, I didn't do mistakes over and over again that I would do anyway, I was literally shaking from the stress that passed on through the team. And I wasn't the only one. But from this on, we just don't agree at all in a lot of things, so no need to argue this further.




Of course it is. Taking an example you've used yourself, that game from yesterday: were your mistakes pointed by anyone else? I assume you know you did them, the numbers are pretty clear after all. Would you have performed better if we (including me, a "pleb" as says Walooj) had pointed them out? Depending on how you answer this, you see my point, or you maintain your opinion.

One of the goals of inhouses is to learn. Players of lesser skill can learn A LOT from higher skilled players in just a game or two. Even if they flame you, they really only want the best for you, but in the heat of the game they used some word that offended you.
Let's be honest, everyone gets offended in pubs for no good cause. So just try to let it go, it really doesn't happen a lot. I've played with a lot of people from here that some call flamers and salty. They all really tryed hard to help everyone that wasn't as good as them, but once again as stated before, in the heat of the game they might say something they don't really mean.

To simplify it extremly.
Your 4K, you call out mistakes and call 3k for example ****.
Someone else is 5K. He calls you **** because your 4k and make stupid 4k mistakes.


The thing is, the way it is said doesnt help and often results in the better skilled players playing no better then lower MMR players.

I would just like to point out that my dota has actually improved after being scolded by wulfstan, zao and even waloo multiple times. It can be irritating yes, but just just to shut them up, you subconsciously improve. Atleast that's what happened with me.

I know it's annoying when someone like me makes the same mistake over and over, but when someone starts losing it because I've made said mistake multiple times, it just makes me worse. Although it's probably my fault for being too sensitive, I just can't play under pressure, I don't play solo queue anymore because I feel like quitting games when I game flamed by someone. I haven't played massive amounts of in-house games where I have been "flamed" quite badly, but it the ones I have I literally wanted to just leave the game.

I guess I probably shouldn't be playing dota if I'm this bad right? But I came to the in-houses because I thought I could get away from some of the horrors I had seen in my regular games. I can't say I haven't learned anything at all from these experiences, but at the time when it's happening, I can't focus, I can't play, I just want to leave the game, because it's really upsetting to tell you the truth. I may never have as much experience as many people here do, but I'd really like to join a game a game as some idiot unranked scrub and be treated as equally as I can. Like, maybe I make the same mistakes twice in a match, sure it's dumb, but you should see some live action video of me playing, I face-keyboard so many times when I screw up.

And when I try to fix my mistakes after they have happened a couple of times, I just can't, because honestly, I don't know how in some circumstances. Then someone gets mad, and I have no chance at this point.

Sorry for this poorly executed paragraph, but hopefully you understand what I am saying ^^

I'm holding no grudges against anybody, but I can't say that my bad experiences have gone unnoticed, some have left a mark, which has slowly deteriorated my enjoyment of playing in the in-house in case something like it ever happened again. Maybe I just need to man up, but I can't help being kinda sensitive.

Bunkansee-

I agree on what ChiChi says here. Even if the high MMR guys want to help, they often discourage players by using a very specific tone of voice. It is not how a teacher should sound like.

It is a voice of an oldschool army sergeant on the marine training course.

It may be relevant - Dota is a battle, but we are all modern, civilized people. We won't beat each others hands with sticks for missing a lasthit like they do in China (I've heard :P).

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What I am going to suggest is a drastic change - stop teaching, if you can't control your emotions.
I talked to some people and the overall conclusion was that some players dont want to participate, because the "tryhard environment" is just repulsive. Even though you think you are helping with your constant advice, you are making them more and more shaky and unstable. This literally causes your hand to "lose a grip".


I know this is harsh, but I have to say it - Giving advice using THAT tone (you know what I mean) will absolutely NEVER have positive result.




I am going to give example of my point of view of my last inhouse. I was playing with ChiChi for the first time. To be honest, I wasn't expecting too much from this player. My shot was that she was 2k MMR, 300 hours player (I am still not sure :P).

We went top lane. I was Bane, she took Witch Doctor and there was also our carry - probably Xyrus Legion Commander, can't remember. We were against Tusk + Undying lane (or Winter Wyvern). I was trying my best to not sound aggresive, while also I was encouraging my teammates to enforce the attack on the opponents. I guess we were succesful and I could just feel that ChiChi was gaining confidence with each minute. We did some rotations, she started using mic and our team was all gucci (we weren't sure about the result of this game at the time).

It was all about communication, about the atmosphere. The environment was positive, when someone did a mistake we just spammed ">Relax, you are doing fine!" while laughing on mic.

THEN you can point out mistakes.


Peace.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1814918658

High skill game (I'm not high skill). Three girls, two boys (yeah three girls that's right).

I gave first blood, nobody complained, I proceeded to get the next kill and from then on we were just winning every lane.

Now this is what happens when you play encouraging your teammates, instead of pointing mistakes: 10/1 and 16/1 on my carrys, and a good learning experience for me.

Yes, I probably would have. Granted, it makes no difference if I'm already aware of a certain error, e.g. those Powershots I missed on Clinkz, but there were probably a few errors I made that game without realising. How am I supposed to correct those mistakes if no one points them out?

Even assuming that I can't correct them in that game, I can always focus on them in the next game, or in a lobby, or even in overthrow (it's such a good gamemode for practicing Teamfight skills <}3 ).

Godammit, why do people keep spoiling surprises! I was gonna go Drill Sergeant on someone's arse!

"Alright Maggot! Listen up! I want to you run over to that guy and HIT HIM LIKE YOU MEAN IT! HIT HIM! HIT HIM HARDER! WHERE'S YOUR BASH MAGGOT?! good! You just managed to bring down a sissy Canadian girl with your pansy slaps! Now Charge Mid and LET'S SEE FOR BASHES THIS TIME!" B{O

Still working on the SeargeantStache. 8{(

http://www.dotabuff.com/players/190924478/matches

The bounty hunter game from 2 days ago was my first game in south korea. even though i lost that one, i didn't feel stressed out unlike in SEA. I liked games there because it felt less stressful without people shouting and flaming you every time you make a mistake, and you actually get people who are willing to work together and give constructive feedback.

Although, there are a few runaway strays from SEA who just go there and rage (i guess i'm a runaway too, but i don't disrespect the koreans at least), i feel that the people there are much better.

And as you see, my worst tilt since i started playing dota and ended, and i am euphoric.