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Forum » Theory Crafting » Octarine core huskar 25 posts - page 2 of 3
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » June 7, 2015 1:46am | Report
So, i think Huskar is good for 3 farm postion aura carrier
First, why manfight Huskar in this current meta ? you can play a spellcaster Huskar who abuse ult and use things like euls Ghost Scepter and Glimmer Cape for evading physical damage instead of stacking ******** armor, this is the new huskar guys

THE MAIN TROUBLE WITH HUSKAR EARLY GAME: Huskar is agressive as **** and need to fight magical friends, sometimes he abuse tower diving but he does not have enough sustain to do so

So what I Yelluz-san suppose ? MAX INNER VITALITY AFTER SOME POINTS IN OTHER ABILITYS
people just dunno how to use and abuse Inner vitality
Huskar use this when he has little hp and in this time you use some item that give invunerability to physical damage so in seconds you will have a FULL hp with inner vitality with a low cd, just do the math !
So you will just need something like a ghost scepter glimmer cape or euls as i said early

b-but yellulz-san whats the skill build ?
its simple my little pony, 2 points in burning spears, then max Berserk Blood, and the inner vitality, Ult whenever possible, then just max burning spears


YELLLULLLZZZ SAAAAAAAAN WHICH ITENS DO I DO TO MAKE IT WORK
well start with the classic tango salve RoP and a gaunlets
in early game just finish boots basilius and Urn/bracer
boots for obvius reasons, basilius for the early amor, and urn/bracer to help the last hits
Sooooo it reached the mid game, time fooooor mekanism and arcane boots
mekanism need timing and need to be gotten early for your team, arcane boots to you spam inner vitality and use your items
well euls scepter(aka poor man guinso) just dont fit huskar as the mana regen and the position is not needed, pick euls if you need a purge ASAP
Glimmer Cape can be a good pick up if your enemys are not buying revelation often for teamfights, it is very useful to use with you ultimate as it will not damage you so much and you can avoid physical damage, also you wont have any mana issues beacuse of your mana boots as it will let you spam this thing, just avoid this if you are playing a high mmr match though(Actually avoid Huskar too :) )
Pick you armlet of mordigan if you are unsure of this build just after your core( meka and arcane)
well you will neeed a ghost scepter as you will need in the first inner vitality at team clashs, the stats are nice too
And the aghanihn scepter, your main source of damage, so beautiful, 60% of the enemy health every 4 s ? INSANE, BETTER BETTER than a manfight huskar who just jump and die on the enemy carry
The Veil of Discord, if you are sure that you can manage this item then RUSH BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE
Other situationals are blade mail for pure damage guys, Halberd for any ´´4 protect 1 strategy´´ and maelstorm/mjornl If ilussion guys(actually you should not pick huskar if Enemy has illusion based carry heroes)

Your mid game playstile depends of your team, you are a anti spell caster carry who also **** supports

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » June 7, 2015 2:59am | Report
You generally want a deathball or a snowball strategy, in the mid game when physycal damage is ****, you can manfight and when your hp is slow use your Ghost Scepter or Glimmer Cape to use inner vitality and 5 seconds later you jump on other guy as your ult will be of cooldown

so its late game and huskar need a new aproach and new itens at this point
You will need the Guardian Greaves as the game reach this stage
also [Etheral blade]] can be a good stuff to solo pick-ups and for disarming a carry in the team fights, you should use in yourself if you get focused, also the 40 agi gives some armor and AS which is good
Octarine CoreREAD THE ****ING THREAD( this is better then satanic cause both give you hp, but octarine core synergy with your orb walking and your ult, and satanic just synergy with the bonus atack speed of the beserker blood[better for the old right click build])

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Timminatorr » June 8, 2015 1:24pm | Report
Ok first things first, Huskar is a hero that you pick when they dont have the proper heroes to deal with you, since he becomes immortal with armlet when played well against the right lineup.
There are a lot of phisical/pure damage burst heroes that he has trouble with, but you can still deal with if its just one, and there are a few heroes, Ancient Apparition Bloodseeker and Queen of Pain that you should NEVER EVER pick him against.

YellulzQuiet wrote:

So, i think Huskar is good for 3 farm postion aura carrier
First, why manfight Huskar in this current meta ? you can play a spellcaster Huskar who abuse ult and use things like euls Ghost Scepter and Glimmer Cape for evading physical damage instead of stacking ******** armor, this is the new huskar guys.

THE MAIN TROUBLE WITH HUSKAR EARLY GAME: Huskar is agressive as **** and need to fight magical friends, sometimes he abuse tower diving but he does not have enough sustain to do so

So what I Yelluz-san suppose ? MAX INNER VITALITY AFTER SOME POINTS IN OTHER ABILITYS
people just dunno how to use and abuse Inner vitality
Huskar use this when he has little hp and in this time you use some item that give invunerability to physical damage so in seconds you will have a FULL hp with inner vitality with a low cd, just do the math !
So you will just need something like a ghost scepter glimmer cape or euls as i said early

b-but yellulz-san whats the skill build ?
its simple my little pony, 2 points in burning spears, then max Berserk Blood, and the inner vitality, Ult whenever possible, then just max burning spears


ok sorry i tried to respond to your different points in the quote separately, but i just couldnt because every time i came back to the same point, ARMLET. you get this item EVERY GAME, NO EXCEPTIONS EVER. if you dont understand why then you dont understand the hero, you rush this item because it completely changes the hero. you will sit on just armlet HP pretty much always so you farm at a ridiculous rate, and now can fight since if you toggle well and use the heal before jumping into a fight you wont die.

ok on to some seperate points


YELLLULLLZZZ SAAAAAAAAN WHICH ITENS DO I DO TO MAKE IT WORK
well start with the classic tango salve RoP and a gaunlets boots against a solo offlaner is better and against a contesting lane 2 sets of tangos wit just brances is more efficient, and you dont want to slow down armlet with bracer/urn
in early game just finish boots basilius and Urn/bracer
boots for obvius reasons, basilius for the early amor, and urn/bracer to help the last hits
Sooooo it reached the mid game, time fooooor mekanism and arcane boots
mekanism need timing and need to be gotten early for your team, arcane boots to you spam inner vitality and use your items
well euls scepter(aka poor man guinso) just dont fit huskar as the mana regen and the position is not needed, pick euls if you need a purge ASAP your ultimate purges you when used so you wont need another ones apart from a BKB against hard disables.
Glimmer Cape can be a good pick up if your enemys are not buying revelation often for teamfights, it is very useful to use with you ultimate as it will not damage you so much you have passive for that and you can avoid physical damage invis is invulnerability kappa, also you wont have any mana issues beacuse of your mana boots as it will let you spam this thing, just avoid this if you are playing a high mmr match though(Actually avoid Huskar too :) ) wrong, huskar is very strong, against some team compositions, sometimes even autowin.
Pick you armlet of mordigan if you are unsure of this build just after your core( meka and arcane) as said before always get armlet on him.
well you will neeed a ghost scepter as you will need in the first inner vitality at team clashs, the stats are nice too you use your heal before they jump you or you jump him.
And the aghanihn scepter, your main source of damage, so beautiful, 60% of the enemy health every 4 s ? INSANE, BETTER BETTER than a manfight huskar who just jump and die on the enemy carry suuuuuure......
The Veil of Discord, if you are sure that you can manage this item then RUSH BEFORE EVERYTHING ELSE
Other situationals are blade mail for pure damage guys, Halberd for any ´´4 protect 1 strategy´´ and maelstorm/mjornl If ilussion guys(actually you should not pick huskar if Enemy has illusion based carry heroes) he is actually ok against Phantom Lancer since burning spears cant be purged by him, and he generally ends the game before illusion heroes are really online.

Your mid game playstile depends of your team, you are a anti spell caster carry who also **** supports



YellulzQuiet wrote:

You generally want a deathball or a snowball strategy, correct, but huskar himself makes his team a pushing team, so the opponents team dictates if its a good huskar game, not your team.in the mid game when physycal damage is ****, you can manfight and when your hp is slow use your Ghost Scepter or Glimmer Cape to use inner vitality and 5 seconds later you jump on other guy as your ult will be of cooldown as mentioned many times before, you get armlet for that.

so its late game and huskar need a new aproach and new itens at this point
You will need the Guardian Greaves as the game reach this stage greaves is situationally good, but AC gives the same amount of armor, and it will be better less organised pubs for sure.
also [Etheral blade]] can be a good stuff to solo pick-ups and for disarming a carry in the team fights, you should use in yourself if you get focused, also the 40 agi gives some armor and AS which is good
Octarine CoreREAD THE ****ING THREAD( this is better then satanic cause both give you hp, but octarine core synergy with your orb walking and your ult, and satanic just synergy with the bonus atack speed of the beserker blood[better for the old right click build])
no you should actually ****ING THINK. Satanic is clearly better once you use your brain. his rightclicks will do more damage then his spears, since his spears do only 160 magic damage at hit, and are made useless by magic immunity, as well as being DOT instead of burst lifesteal.
so you want less lifesteal, less damage, less HP, no armor, no damage, and lastly, NO UNGODLY SATANIC ACTIVE? well your funeral dude.
seriously, the build is awful compared to the armlet build.



so TL;DR
go boots>armlet>helm+treads and after that usually AC, or BKB, halberd against a single physical damage hero like TA or clinkz, but always eventually get AC+satanic.

only get MKB late, dont skip your core even against PA since you should have +25 armor at 20 minutes and she cant touch you.
DONT get HP items like heart, you want to be low HP, and make that HP as valuable as possible through armor, evasion and BKB.
stuff like ghost/e-blade is viable, aghs is good lategame.
crit is underwhelming, get MKB since you cant afford to get both MKB and crit.
blink is good when they want to kite you.
and lastly again, ALWAYS GET ARMLET.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » June 9, 2015 11:58am | Report
What about rush Crimson Guard ? it could work as damage block can work if get early

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YellulzQuiet wrote:

What about rush Crimson Guard ? it could work as damage block can work if get early

It sounds nice to make your HP more valueable after armlet with damage block, but he is ofc a ranged hero who benefits less from it.

He doesnt need the regen, the HP isnt that usefull since you want to be on low HP, and the armor it gives is low.
Its a shame he has to miss out on an opportunity to make the 475 armlet HP more valueable, but it doesnt do enough for its cost, and you need other items more.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by strider » June 9, 2015 2:09pm | Report
i agree with tim,as one man said:huskar is pretty much "armlet-the hero".i feel that lifesteal from octarine core is just too low for heros like huskar since they don't get burts lifesteal and get focused down untill it kicks in,when people buy it,it's mostly for cd reduction.stackin armor and evasion outclass everything else in terms of survivability.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » June 9, 2015 4:14pm | Report
Timminatorr wrote:


It sounds nice to make your HP more valueable after armlet with damage block, but he is ofc a ranged hero who benefits less from it.

He doesnt need the regen, the HP isnt that usefull since you want to be on low HP, and the armor it gives is low.
Its a shame he has to miss out on an opportunity to make the 475 armlet HP more valueable, but it doesnt do enough for its cost, and you need other items more.

What about the active Guard ? 100 % 55 damage block can be better than armor at the mid game

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by YellulzQuiet » June 9, 2015 4:41pm | Report
strider wrote:

i agree with tim,as one man said:huskar is pretty much "armlet-the hero".i feel that lifesteal from octarine core is just too low for heros like huskar since they don't get burts lifesteal and get focused down untill it kicks in,when people buy it,it's mostly for cd reduction.stackin armor and evasion outclass everything else in terms of survivability.

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i know what you guys are saying, i understand your point, but my point is it is pointless stacking armor, over the patches itens like MoC Deso and Assault Cuirass have been buffed, also Critic ignore armor, also Atack speed from beserk blood is just another atack speed buff´ in 6.84 cause troll and wind are still in the meta and with the Moon Shard.
Huskar need to be made around his ult Life Break, 60 % of the enemy hp evry 4s ? are you serius Icy frog this is way way 2 op, Huskar needs a new build, abusing life break and surviving the team fight with Inner Vitality and itens like Ghost scepter, Halberd, glimmer cape, etc... , and giving his team auras like Guardian Greaves one as it fit with his playstyles of ´30 % hp survival
So i thing your Old fashioned Armlet build work really for the MIDGAME, but it falls hard at the current meta, so the aghamihn upgrade and utility comes in hand, and there is the Octarine core, it´s cooldown reduction for his survival itens, skills and the lifesteal synergy as **** with his ult

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by strider » June 9, 2015 6:28pm | Report
i'm not saying you shoudn't go scepter,GG boots etc.,i'm just saying that satanic is much better then octarine.i'm also not huge fan of AC on huskar,IMO armor from armlet,GG boots,satanic,auras from vlads and AC(if you won't get it) and solar crest should be enough,i just feel like attack speed is wasted.i think item build should be mix of right click and things like GG boots,scepter and halberd.i think huskar should be position 3 maybe 1-2(if you feel safe that it either won't get to lategame or your other cores have it covered).my item build would be boots-armlet-helm-bkb if needed-probably GG boots-satanic-scepter-halberd,mix in mkb,skadi,veil when you feel like it.

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YellulzQuiet wrote:


i know what you guys are saying, i understand your point, but my point is it is pointless stacking armor, over the patches itens like MoC Deso and Assault Cuirass have been buffed, also Critic ignore armor, also Atack speed from beserk blood is ������´������´just another atack speed buff������´������´ in 6.84 cause troll and wind are still in the meta and with the Moon Shard.
Huskar need to be made around his ult Life Break, 60 % of the enemy hp evry 4s ? are you serius Icy frog this is way way 2 op, Huskar needs a new build, abusing life break and surviving the team fight with Inner Vitality and itens like Ghost scepter, Halberd, glimmer cape, etc... , and giving his team auras like Guardian Greaves one as it fit with his playstyles of ������´������´30 % hp survival������´������´.
So i thing your Old fashioned Armlet build work really for the MIDGAME, but it falls hard at the current meta, so the aghamihn upgrade and utility comes in hand, and there is the Octarine core, it������´s cooldown reduction for his survival itens, skills and the lifesteal synergy as **** with his ult

its kinda hard to react to this comment since multiple characters arent showing well, but ill do my best.
it is not pointless to stack armor, deso is not a commonly picked up item at all, and it wont be until its no longer an orb effect or gets buffed in a significant way.
its not crazy to have 20 armor at 15 minutes on Huskar, and since armor becomes less significant the higher it gets, he doesnt care that much about -7 armor when he is close to having 30 armor once someone picks up a deso.
also, troll isnt picked at all and wind is picked a decent amount but has mixed success.
and i still dont get why people shout that he needs a new build or is a bad hero, those claims are based on nothing.

the thing with life break is that the damage is blocked by BKB, as well as his spears, so against that he loses a lot of damage.

and i still dont get the deal with glimmer cape and ghost scepter, you dont need to back off, you have a rediculous heal and armlet toggles. why would you need to back off if you can be almost immune to all damage except pure?
look at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aizqu42innY
without armlet he would be about 10 times. ofcourse this is amazing toggling but its an extremely crazy dive too.

since you are still going on about ocatrine core it seems that you are kinda bad at weighing pro's and cons, and arent actually looking up whats better, just wildly theorycrafting. trust me, the item is worthless on him.

this will sound mean but i dont want to put more time into explaining stuff to someone who doesnt really pick it up, so i suggest you just watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtiZDY1n120 and take everything he says as the truth.

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i think huskar should be position 3 maybe 1-2(if you feel safe that it either won't get to lategame or your other cores have it covered)

there really is no problem playing huskar as your safelaner, he can handle himself easily well after 30 minutes, and thats all you need. the need for a hard carry or good lategame is severely overrated. when i play with people from dotafire a notice a lot that they value lategame 'security' over a good strategy. if you can put the game out of reach for the enemy before 30 or even 20 minutes, then what does lategame matter? teams dont need that lategame security because it usually means your earlygame is weakened and you are less likely to end the game early.

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