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Doom is useful if there's one hero you need to shut down.

Actually, two heroes. Refresher is core on him.

And no, with octarine sounds really bad. She doesn't really need cooldown reduction or lifesteal. Octarine is an item for big ultimate heroes like or , so it decreases both their ult cooldown and their refresher cooldown.

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I'm just wondering, what would Earth Spirit + OC be like?

Octarine Core is for spammable skills or really long CD skills.

and Aghs >:D

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I agree that putting a necro safelane is usually bad, but running him as a core (2 or maybe 3) with that build allows you to have your own safelane carry, then have necro remove the enemy carry from the game. It makes it very hard to lose the fight

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...I'd much rather play against people who buy stuff like Octarine, Aghs and refresher on him and think he's a carry (lol) than people who play utility Zeus with arcanes/blink, veil, and a euls or sheep who are actually useful. Hero doesn't scale with items, he only needs levels...people have trouble understanding that it seems. Honestly the bad pub builds on Zeus are going to be even worse. It's not like lifesteal on Zeus does anything...because it really doesn't - if he gets focused he's dead anyways, he can't manfight or kite in any way. Besides who cares about his 6-slot inventory 55 minutes into the game with octarine, the hero drops off just as hard at that point anyways. Just buy mek/pipe and you're fine, both items got buffed. And . Him having such a high pub winrate is mainly due to people not buying the items that counter him, and if people don't buy the awesome new pipe against him...they deserve it :)

Another interesting thing in this patch : Kill gold got reduced by a lot, so solo killing is way less rewarding. On the other hand assist gold is way higher.

I agree on Aghs and Refresher, but Octarine is good because it means you cast spells (and proc static field) 33% more, the lifesteal is just a bonus. if that is not enough, it affects your items, too.

I think the kill gold change just evenly distributes the 100 gold among all there. Solo kills should remain exactly the same (well, 10% more because of the other patchnote)

and I second Octarine not being for . She doesn't do magic dps or benefit hugely from the cooldowns. Maybe as a 6th item for other item cooldowns.

Disclaimer: I am not very good, so I could be horrifically wrong about any of these.

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I know that Troll Warlord is still a viable hero, yes I am one of those dirty TW pickers, but is there a reason why he's being almost completely ignored at the pro level? Also I don't think he is nearly as OP as people make him out to be simply because his early laning phase is atrocious now. He can easily be bullied and if he doesn't have a baby sitter until HoTD and Phase Boots can be bought he can easily get "rekt" by incoming ganks.

I like the counters but absolutely hate the nerf to Berserker's Rage melee damage bonus. There was no reason to take that out of the game.

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