Lane Commander

@xCO2

If what you meant was that the build is viable, I agree with you. Most builds are viable, even if they aren't that good.

Again, about the shadown blade part of the discussion, I didn't say Shadow Blade was bad in every hero and in every situation, so I don't understand how you can claim I said it and that I'm misguided. I said (and you can check in my posts) that Shadow Blade is optional, but not core, and it can be a good snowball item. But it isn't core. In my opinion, and there may be various interpretations of it, "core" means that it is almost always, absolutely necessary to buy a certain item for a certain Hero (your interpretation of it is different, I believe). Shadow Blade isn't the case. Snowballing can also be achieved with a Blink Dagger for example, or just well timed aggression by your entire team. Also, Blink Dagger doesn't need to be sold in late game scenario. It is actually a really good item in such situations, while Shadow Blade not so much.

Also, there have been several drafts in competitive matches where Heroes that rely on their invisibility have been picked. But they weren't picked because of their invisibility, and that's a very important point for the discussion that we are having (a friendly one, of course, :P). You can also see how Shadow Blade fell out of fashion in several Heroes ( Shadow Fiend, Dragon Knight, Alchemist), for competitive matches. You may see it every now and then, but it is not the most prefered choice.

Also, it can be a bit stressing for a support to be always buying Sentry Ward, but it is not that much. You don't need to be placing wards everywhere, you just need to place them when you are pushing. For example, when you are ready to push a tower, you place a sentry around your team just outside the tower vision. 1 or 2 kills that your team gets because of those sentries already pay off the cost of the sentries and maybe even give profit, considering.

The build of this guide is viable and it is an option, but when it is said in the guide that Shadow Blade is a far better otpion than Blink Dagger, I think it is good for the users to speak up and share their different perspectives. The same goes for when he says that it is always better to level up Moment of Courage at level 1. Thats what makes guides improve. But I'm not trying, and I don't think anyone is, to bash this guide. I didn't even discussed how he says in the guide that whenever your Ulti is off cooldown you must look to use it. I think Duel is a good snowball mechanism, but I also think there are other ways to look at it and you don't necessarily need to be always looking for a fight when it is off cooldown.

I hope this doesn't come across as too aggressive. I actually enjoy these discussions, so no insults or flame of any kind intended. Sorry for the long *** post, I can't ****ing synthetise even if my life depended on it.


@Sherudon

I don't want to repeat myself about the Shadow Blade business.

About Moment of Courage, your argument is a bad one, I'm afraid. You said you got first blood after 4 minutes, because of the passive. Well, after 4 minutes I'm guessing you already have points in your other abilities, as well as your teammates. Understand that no one said Moment of Courage is a bad ability. It is ****ing awesome. I once survived a Duel against a Luna with her Ultimate activated, because of the lifesteal proc. But it is far from being the best option at level 1. Thats it.

Other than that, good effort on the guide. I would just suggest, if you had the patience for it (it can be boring), to improve the visual quality of it by using the double "[ ]", producing this effect: Legion Commander. It not only looks better, but it is easier for the reader to check what are you talking about in certain paragraphs, for example.

Cheers, the build IS a quick burst, and again, I think people skim over the guide and post, shadow blade is most certainly a great item, but for some reason people think walk into 5 people and use it to run only, im dusted?, who gives a damn I have a team behind me and IM GOING TO RAPE YOU, I am not riki... please read the explanation on why I prefer shadow blade, not just see the items and comment.

Another person saying the reactive is useless makes me want to strangle them, a free extra attack that heals you, hell last game I played yesterday gave me first blood in the first 4 min from 4 reactive strikes in a row legion is not a passive farmer, treat her like axe, hit the other players, your faster, I do not farm a lane I win it.

The AC over Desolator, that is your choice, judge what you need, how well you are doing, what your facing, if your facing a lot of right click damage then yeah AC, but if it is spells as such deso, deso is easy to collect and a just building up to it helps your damage +24, yeah.

Last legion I spoon fed I asked he just follow what I ask and he will have the easiest game ever, he went 16-1 and we won by 30 min.

I will add in the items mentioned to last words, but I don't prefer them.

Clearly the wrong adjective for what I was typing, the word that was escaping me at the time was viable, not optimal. But that's clear enough when I go on to say there is changes to be made, wouldn't make much sense to say this is the best build and then go on to say that it could be improved.

You still see many heroes picking up Shadow Blade and heroes being secured in drafts that rely on invisibility, countering invisibility is not a new concept, the game has been around for over a decade. But the fact is that counter-counter warding is a tactic that can be used, gems are easily secured, and buying invis detection constantly for a single invis unit on the team and one with such limited spamability puts a big strain on the enemy team in itself and often time will not be an issue for a single Shadowblade carrier. Its an item you use to sneak in to ult, that doesn't mean you go way out of position while you're invisible.

There is not a single build path for a hero. In the build provided, the Shadow Blade is the core. Much like how a Blink Dagger could be a core in a build. He provides an aggressive burst damage Tresdin, his item build is completely viable. I'm not gonna explain again why its the core item, you can re-read my previous post. I don't see how either of those rings instantly fix a strength hero's mana problems, the Clarity is to have early lane dominance since both of her abilities are pretty strong and able to be spammed. His early build revolves around small skirmishes and that I don't agree with, which is why I provided a better skill build in my post.

The reason Tresdin is able to become a carry is specifically from her infinitely scaling ultimate, and getting those secured stacks is essential, much like how a Blink Dagger will have to be sold later and I can use the Shadow Fiend example again for that too. And I never made specific claims to who or what was misguided or misinformed, but there are a couple points you made that I find misguided, one being that Shadowblade is an awful item and is awful on everyone and every situation. If your knowledge on something is wrong, you're not going to know its wrong, otherwise you wouldn't be wrong, right?

I don't see how this build is "optimal". Shadow Blade is an option, but far from core and far from being the most useful, effective item on this Hero (and any Hero, for that fact). Shadow Blade used to be used a lot? Thats a good point. Another good point is that people just realized how easy it was to counter it. Also, if your plan is to play Tresdin as the main carry of your team, why buy Shadow Blade when in a late game scenario you'll have to sell it?

Leveling Moment of Courage at level one is again far from optimal: you won't be tanking creep waves at level 1 and even if you do 20% lifesteal from your 60 damage autoattack is ridiculous. You would be much better off leveling up Overwhelming Odds or Press the Attack.

Also, no need to get a Clarity if you are already planning on rushing Ring of Basilius. Again, far from optimal.

This is my perspective and you may disagree from it, but it is not "misguided and misinformed", as with most other opinions from other users about this guide.

Its unfortunate that most of your feedback from users has been negative, misguided, and misinformed. I don't agree with the guide, but it has some points and provides another playstyle to the hero. So here is my thoughts; Your build is viable, but can use some changes. In regards to the comments about Shadowblade, thusfar everyone has been incorrect. Shadowblade is a great pickup for Tresdin if she's in a team composition that doesn't already have a hero with innate invisibility and no one else will be purchasing a Shadowblade. Yes invisibilty can be countered, but so can a Blink Dagger, and as far as I know Shadowblade Shadowfiend and Phantom Lancer each respectively were dominating the meta at one point, even in the competitive scene. The playstyle provided would classify Shadowblade as THE core item, a core item is something that your entire playstyle revovles around in a game, and if you're going around using Shadowblade and running up and ulting someone that sounds like core gameplay ganks to me. That doesn't mean the rest of the items are core though, Treads and Aquila are not core, they can be replaced with items like Boots of Travel, Phase Boots, or Vladimir's Offering. Having low armor was a point made and justified in the build, Aquila and Assault Cuirass do give a decent amount, I have found that the Helm of the Dominator and Armlet do a better job at this, but if your goal is to go around blowing people up with your ult throughout the mid game then I see no problem in having this bursty build. I'd reccomend picking up the Cuirass before the Desolator though, sure your pushing power is diminished but it provides more survivabilty and makes it easier to take down your target because you'll have very low attack speed up until then, even with Treads and Shadowblade. Tresdin is actually a pretty strong laner when leveled differently, maxing Overwhelming Odds first and taking a single point in your Moment of Courage (at level two) both your Overwhelming odds and Press the Attack are maxed will make life much easier, skipping a few points in Press the Attack for early Moment of Courage works in some situations too. I'd definitely say that a Satanic over a Heart of Tarrasque is a better choice. Other items to consider Medallion of Courage, Orb of Venom, and Drum for early game if you're having a hard time getting gold for your big components.

Tresdin is not weak in Mid. So... I don't know about that

Personally i am pretty torn on where legion fits in a lineup becouse she is a pretty weak laner.
I think the best way is to jungle and have a non greedy offlaner like nyx assassin who can transition into sort of a semi-support.

Your passive is useless in lane, as you should NEVER autoattack and be attacked by the creepwave as this will push the lane.
You should keep the lane in the same place by doing the same damage to your creepwave as you do to theirs. That is IMPOSSIBLE to do with moment of courage.

Hello. Your build is quit interesting, but there is point that can be discused.


1/ Did u really put a stat point at lvl 7?

2/ You say Tresdin is one of the most powerfull cac (1vs1), I agree but with this build (items) I don't think you will have a good survability.
For exemple you say that the armor is one of her weak point and you don't put the Armlet of Mordiggian into the core stuff. More over the Satanic is so overpowered and you don't even play it. (armlet + Helm of dominator) give a +10 armor.

3/ You pike the AOE very late, if you are fighting agressive range, I don't think you have the mana for spamming Press the Attack, if you pike overwerlming you will be able to harass and get some last hit, in fact I prefere OD for long range aoe and keep the openent low HP. With OD lvl 3 when you are lvl 5 you can easely put 240/250 damages, on ranged agl or int it's quite alot.

In fact Basilus are really good idea, and your build is good for a sneaky LC but I prefere a more tanky one. If you don't have much HP/armor you will have a lack of presence during clash.
With PT/Satanic/Armlet and Aquila to ;) You will have a better presence for less money.

Sherudon, what Xarai is saying is that first skill is optional. Actually the worst skill you can level up at first level is the passive. Press the Attack is pretty good for regen. If you are in lane get a quick basilius. If you are mid get a bottle. You say you cant rune control? You have a AOE nuke, that gives you movement speed bonus just to do that.

Also Shadow Blade is not core and it is easily countered. If you are playing against a good team with good supports, they will always put a sentry around the team when they push a tower. That way if you try to initiate, even if your teammates are close, you will get ganked. Shadow Blade is a good snowball item, specially in more casual, low level games where supports generally don't give a ****.

No need to tread lightly, criticism doesn't insult me if it is thought out and non insulting bro.

If you mean her nuke as optional then how do you chase your opponents or do any form of burst apart from right clicks?, every creep and hero you hit adds more damage and speed, i have had double and triple kills from good clumps, not to mention super speed both to catch and escape with.

For the mid comment, how are you going to keep the shout up then? your not going to have rune control in most cases, so bottle crow is the only way to stay there with no regen to start, and how will you counter harass?

I don't mean to offend you but are you sure about this build? the first skill for legion is 100% optional in fact i recommend never getting it unless your versing meepo, or some mass cloner as it's useless and if your going mid then dont buy any ****py starter items and get moment of courage for healing those annoying people who harass you

The build is good, except Shadow Blade its not core on her. You can try to make the guide look better. For example: produces:
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