Arc Warden Build Guide DOTA 2: [Irrelevant]A Full Guide to Arc Warden(6.87)

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Nice guide there! Just 1 question: would you say necro is core on the carry build too? If yes, would hotd be better then mom? You could build satanic later and dominate a creep to hide in the forrest which could be used as a "mobile tp base" for the double. Just an idea :)

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Yes, definetly. It is just too good. Even if you sell it later, the impact Necro makes early-mid game is well worth it. HotD gives way less DPS with Rapiers than MoM, and active ability isn't worth it - it is much better to use either one of your allies, their summons or necros to TP if you want to backdoor. Satanic isn't good because the Double only lives for 20 second and it is not that essential for it to survive so that's kind of a waste. Also the dominated creep dies when you build into .

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For the rapier build mom is better, thats true. Was actually talking about the carry build, i guess you will be in fights with your team with the real hero there too, so i thought more damage, more armor and a late satanic would be better for this one. I always feel like Mom is kind of a glasscanon item ^^.

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You can afford to be a glasscannon with 10 sec BKB, , your range and zero death penalty on Double. is more of a placeholder item here until you get 6-slotted and can ditch it for more damage or utility.

You don't want to fight with your real hero if there's a big chance to die, unless it's like their gg push and if you lose the fight, you lose the game. You usually want to jump in when there's an opening, and there will be plenty - pretty much any lone hero that is a bit out of position is an easy target for and once you get it off, it can't be purged and you can pummel the **** out of your victim - all this while your Double creates chaos and draws attention and focus. I really can't come up with a reliable way to defeat lategame except initiating on a real hero before Double is cast and killing him quickly - I should add heroes that do that to "Foes" section, btw.

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I just habe big problems winning with arc even if i get a good start. I have to say im only 2800 mmr and play alone most of the times. The thing is my team never pushes the lanes while the enemy hardcarrys farming up to 6 slotts and the deathpush of them is unstoppable then ^^ i think a big foe is every other splitpusher like natures prophet or anyone with illusions/manta like am. I just dont can make it to highground against them. Did you try out which items are needed to go highground and kill towers with backdoor protection?

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Well yeah if you can't get to the tower you can't hit the tower, that's why counterpushers are a pain in the ***, especially when your team does nothing. I've tested that in a lobby, and it it mentioned in the guide, that with a full Rapier build(the one that is in the guide, with instead of MoM and one consumed) gets a Tier 3 tower with backdoor protection activated from full HP to zero in 10 seconds. Provided there are no BKB-piercing disables and you can find a valid TP target just next to the tower, backdoor isn't a problem at all.

If you absolutely can't convince any of your idiots to help you with sneaking to a T3(hell, a single HotD pickup on any of your allies would do), one thing that can be done is - swap a Rapier for Necro for some time(leave it in the stash), carefully guide your main hero close to the center river, summon , send them to T3 tower and immediately TP back. At fountain, swap Necro for Rapier back, summon Double, TP to Necros - they should reach the Tier 3 before they expire, just make sure your enemy doesn't see them until you finish TP'ing. Then, blink to the tower, activate BKB and Field, and take the tower down. If there is BKB-piecing stuff, swap Blink for Linken's.

I had trouble playing against counterpushers when my team was... underwhelming. There are some games that you sadly can't win, but they shouldn't happen that often - if you have a lot of trouble winning with Arc lategame where he is the strongest, you are probably doing something wrong. I could look at some of your games if you provided me with some match IDs or Dotabuff - if you want, of course.

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Very, very, very amazing guide, but a little nitpicking. Arc Warden is the only hero who can reliably have Two sets of necronomicon summons on his own. Lone Druid can buy two books if going for a split push build (I've done this before when I was super bored and trolling a little...........okay........a lot....:P

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Yeah, I've left LD out of sight, he deserves at least an honourable mention. Will fix in the next update, thank you.

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