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one thing though:
you say
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Spiked Carapace is often overlooked, but it's surely as effective as Nyx's other skills: the damage reflection may seem "selfish" for a support, but you forgot the best part which is a stun that lasts more than the one from Impale when both skills are maxed out!
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this isnt true.
a fully maxed impale lasts for 3.29 seconds (factoring in the "lift" time)
where as
apart from that ......EPIC GUIDE!!!
But you could leave a prioritized build room - Carapace and Impale particularly early. That is to underestimate Nyx's most powerful skill by delaying it to skill so late. For a skill that consumes only 40 mana with the potential baiting like hell on top of that Impaling the enemy afterwards is considered a major advantage over others already. Like 3 Impale 2 Carapace and Vendetta by level 6, which I usually go like that, effective both in solo or trilane since stun duration increases quite well by then, and would be useful for your teammates to finish off enemy team in addition.
Would you consider updating the guide for current ?
I really enjoy support roles and I think this is one of the most satisfying one, due to is active role in ganking and his item independence.
I think that this part...
... has been written before the 6.80 changelog. So obviously now I have to ask, do you think a full set of urn, boots and stick is necessary to run this amazing hero?
Thanks for the suggestions, though!
Thanks a lot for this, I'll probably write something under the description of the Dagon. If you're wondering, I prefer to take three recipes first because you can still have some nuke power even after spending 2000-3000 gold: if you decide to buy an
I agree that the mere 1300 recipe is tempting, however I think, as Nyx is slowly being played more and more, more people are learning to adapt and learning how to correctly counter him. For this reason, I like to take the ghost scepter route, if however the opponents are still trying to solo push without reliable escapes feel free to dagon it up, eblade or not they're probs going to die. However it's incredibly difficult to initiate a 5 man team when sentries are up and ghost scepter will undoubtedly help when your carapace is on CD. And as a support 400 dmg is plenty as long as you initiate with sufficient back up.
V nice guide, I was wondering when a support nyx guide was coming out since it seems to be happening more and more. I recently did the maths concerning the toss up between dagon 5 v eblade but I see that you've opted for stopping at dagon 3 and so may not apply, but the following information may be useful nonetheless and you may appreciate this for future knowledge.
A nyx with no added agi aside from his own growth (2.2) and eblade at lvl 16 is 94.2. Therefore eblade will do 263.4. The extra 40% from his attacks including a dagon lvl 1 (322) is 585.4 which is already higher than what an extra 4 levels of dagon give you. Also note that the int level for mana burn that I used was for PA who has the lowest int gain of 1 at lvl 16 which is 29 and so this value is the LOWEST possible and can increase much higher on ints.
TLDR: extra dmg from eblade at 16 with lvl 1 dagon = 585. Extra dmg from lvl 1 to lvl 5 dagon = 400.
Thanks a lot for this, I'll probably write something under the description of the Dagon. If you're wondering, I prefer to take three recipes first because you can still have some nuke power even after spending 2000-3000 gold: if you decide to buy an
So, if you don't get that much gold after some time (which is fairly difficult in competitive matches, hence why Dagon is preferred) it's clearly not worth it. Nevertheless, +rep for your maths. :D
A nyx with no added agi aside from his own growth (2.2) and eblade at lvl 16 is 94.2. Therefore eblade will do 263.4. The extra 40% from his attacks including a dagon lvl 1 (322) is 585.4 which is already higher than what an extra 4 levels of dagon give you. Also note that the int level for mana burn that I used was for PA who has the lowest int gain of 1 at lvl 16 which is 29 and so this value is the LOWEST possible and can increase much higher on ints.
TLDR: extra dmg from eblade at 16 with lvl 1 dagon = 585. Extra dmg from lvl 1 to lvl 5 dagon = 400.
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The way I see it, is that competitively there are two roles he plays, hard support and kill-lane support. I just think it'd be beneficial to show off the alternative popular kill-lane Dagon role, since this will probably be the first or second rated Nyx guide. You do have unlimited build tabs, why not? :)