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Forum » New Player Help » Trying to get out of the noobish threads 12 posts - page 1 of 2
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by nonplusultra » November 25, 2014 3:20pm | Report
Sry, I dont speak english and probably it's sometimes annoying to read a thread from someone who doesn't natively speaks english, anyway I have a big doubt rounding my mind these days.

I've played 350 games already, some of them as rank, some of the in pubs, got really good in a pro way with heroes like Puck, Weaver, Meepo, Faceless Void, Crystal Maiden, Ancient Apparition, Dazzle, Lich and lately Windranger, I love escaping methods and I went really pro on mastering blink dagger, never lost my mid with Puck since I got pro with her, I normally see Pudges and Vipers trying to switch lanes with other heroes cause I get to kill them 2 or 3 times in mid before hitting lvl 6, I love to initiate and support, tried to carry with PA and Axe but there's something you feel when you like playing an specific hero, and Heroes who where made specifically to carry, are not my type, then I have my supporting skills, but then in the last month, I just got the same types of stats, not leveling good on MMR, and I'm stuck in 1k MMR, I hate being in such a low rank when I really read and practice enough to get better, I normally lose due to feeding issues, and the heroes I pick are not really going to kill a fed Phantom Assassin, or a fed Sven or a fed Axe, or a fed Bloodseeker, and then I have been questioning myself if really DOTA is the type of game I should play, why am I not getting better? is there anything else besides practicing and spectating pro games that would help me? should I start to be more unorthodox and play things like CM carry or Windranger carry, Blink Dagger- Faceless Void?(those are just examples lol) suggestions will be MUCH APPRECIATED.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Smuggels » November 25, 2014 4:03pm | Report
you need to stop saying

"why am i not getting better?"

and start asking

"How do i get better?"

then once you see "how" you can get better and start implementing it...you will improve.

I WILL DESTROY YOU ALL.... WITH FLUFFY BUNNIES


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by nonplusultra » November 25, 2014 5:12pm | Report
Smuggels wrote:

you need to stop saying

"why am i not getting better?"

and start asking

"How do i get better?"

then once you see "how" you can get better and start implementing it...you will improve.


simple answers that deserve a +rep, thanks! actually I'm looking forward to see what I'm actually missing

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Cataclysm2146 » November 25, 2014 5:55pm | Report
1.Meepo is a great hero to learn, he is considered one of the hardest heroes in the game to play properly(The others being Invoker and Tinker) He also functions very well alone due to being able to push and farm very fast.
2.Against fed enemy carries, buy a Ghost Scepter!. Hell, if you're playing a caster and have 2k gold in your pockets, buy it for later when they do get farm!
3.Already fed carries with a competent team are much harder to deal with. Weaver Is great against most of the heroes you mentioned because he can kite very well with two great escape mechanisms. Pick Weaver against an enemy team with little silence/stun.
4.Initiation is incredibly important. Massive ults like Reverse Polarity can be game changers, especially in lower tier gmes where people often group up very early and have absolutley no idea how to space out against teamfight powers.
5.Speaking of spacing out, please, don't stand there in a nice tight ball for the enemy to get 5-Man Ults on.
6.Counter initiation is also important. If the other four players in your team are stunned, the enemy will almsot always crowd around them, resulting in oppertunities for huge, game-changing disables. Even the best of the pros tend to do this, so sometimes it's better to hang back and let the enemy initiate, especially if you have a big, magic immunity piercing ultimate.
7.Pick a hero who has a stun, you can't rely on your team to have them and stuns are crucial to stopping enemy carries.
8.Go for area of effect stuns in particular. You can buy Orchid Malevolence for silence, Abbysal Blade for single-target stun, and Rod of Atos for slow, but no matter how much money you have, you cannot purchase even half a second of area of effect stun.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CapnDaft » November 25, 2014 6:49pm | Report

.Meepo is a great hero to learn, he is considered one of the hardest heroes in the game to play

*Buzzer Sound*
I think you're wrong, meepo isn't a difficult hero, proper said.
He's just a different hero, but the hero itself is rather easy.
If you're really hungry at learning, I recommend you starting to train your "micro skill"
One good introducer to that is merlini, go to youtube, merlini-->micro skills

Now, to answer your question, only time will make you better. 1k mmr is really lowl and I feel bad for you, but you need to move on, trust me. You'll be stuck in trench meta heroes, and it's really sad, but you know, they're really bad too, so don't do like them, 1k trench mmr people isnt the kind of people you want to learn from. Dont go for unorthodox builds, just be better of doing what you're suppose to do, if it's really going like **** just learn to carry these potatoes! But the best way to improve is to be patient and keep doing watcha doing.
Also go check the dota 2 channels: dota 2 pro replays. Recently found, it's a player perspective of a pro during a pro match, I guess you can learn stuff from there.
Spoiler: Click to view

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by FleetAU » November 25, 2014 11:02pm | Report
once you can play meepo, you can carry with him up to around 4K+ as long as your item build/awareness is up to scratch
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by V-Slash » November 25, 2014 11:25pm | Report
I'm far from 1k MMR myself, so I'm just going to give a simple thought.

If your confortable with playing a pos 4/5, and not willing to try out a pos 2/1 (if i understand correctly), the most straightforward way would be to have a shot at playing as offlaner. By knowing Weaver, Faceless Void, and Windrunner, you have the mastering of hero for you and can focus on getting started with the specific deeds of the job.

As you played "lonely" mid mostly, you would start learning to rely on a support (in pubs) to focus less on survival and more on aggressive play, or something else while playing, perhaps getting kills while roaming, warding in unsuspected spots and occupy the opponent's jungle. And as you know the mid job quite well, you will know when to go and give a hand to mid.

I've been playing aggressive support top mostly, so i suspect we're kind of the same player. And I enjoy that top lane. So if that helps you... :)

GLHF

PS: And/or maybe pick a hero that has no escape, and delay or skip the blink dagger. I suspect you will learn a lot from that!

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by BKvoiceover » November 26, 2014 9:31am | Report
@nonplusultra

It's awesome that you are focusing a lot on mobility-based heroes. Learning those heroes early will teach you a lot of important skills like map awareness, and ability timing. From what I can see, you have a great baseline of heroes to work with, and as V-Slash said it seems like you would do great as an offlaner. Since you don't really like playing a full carry and you love having strong escapes and mobility playing offlane would allow you to focus more on disrupting the other team's carry in their safelane. You have a lot of potential to play a lot of utility style heroes, and gankers like Centaur Warrunner , and Slark.

If you want some ways that helped me get through trench tier.

1. Communicate with your team. If your lane opponent is missing or if you spot a rune in the river, call it out for your team. Even if they don't speak your language you can still use the chat wheel to get your message across. Also, remember to compliment your teammates when they do something well and if you see your teammates make a mistake, offer constructive criticism. Never yell at your teammates, that just tells them to not listen to you.

2. Play with friends. There are a lot of people on this site that would love to jump into a game with you and have a great time. Smuggels is awesome and has some really in-depth knowledge of the game, and is just all around a great guy. I also offer coaching if you are at all interested in that as well. I'm sure if you asked the majority of regular visitors to this site they would jump into a game with you.

If you ever want to hit me up for a game my steam is below.

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Also, don't worry about your English. For someone who doesn't know English you seem to know your way around the language well.

See ya 'round lad :)

-BK

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sanvitch » November 26, 2014 10:58am | Report
I personally suggest that you stop playing Solo-Que's. Find 1 or 2 other competent people and play with them. Having the confirmation that you've got players who know what they are doing in other lanes (Who will probably be communicative), and thus even with two awful team-mates you can probably have a good shot at winning games.

Especially if you get in a situation where one person is willing to be a support, and thus you are more likely to get more from your lane in terms of farm, and thus can snowball better.

The other alternative is to make a new count, boost you hidden MMR by playing a lot before you calibrate, and thus avoid playing in the trench in the first place.

Since you just can't have enough Chaos Breaker.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by nonplusultra » November 26, 2014 11:42am | Report
BKvoiceover wrote:

@nonplusultra



2. Play with friends. There are a lot of people on this site that would love to jump into a game with you and have a great time. Smuggels is awesome and has some really in-depth knowledge of the game, and is just all around a great guy. I also offer coaching if you are at all interested in that as well. I'm sure if you asked the majority of regular visitors to this site they would jump into a game with you.

If you ever want to hit me up for a game my steam is below.

My Steam

Also, don't worry about your English. For someone who doesn't know English you seem to know your way around the language well.

See ya 'round lad :)

-BK



I get to see this suggestion more often, and probably I'll be needing help lol, and the suggestion of getting coached is something I'll be willing to do anytime, my dotabuff is the followin

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/189804453

I'll just play with friends then instead of trying to go Solo as @Sanvitch says, but I could really use some coach.

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