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Elder Titan in the competetive scene

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by samukobo » May 4, 2013 2:59am | Report
How do you guys think Elder Titan will change the meta? At least IMO he's going to be there. At the very least he's going to be picked in the first picking stage once he gets enabled in tournaments. And that's at the very least.

I like playing with my friend using Magnus, and when I do that he picks Elder Titan. The 2 heroes synergize very well with their ults, which is actually overkill by themselves because by the time Split Earth implodes, most of the enemies are dead. Brutally murdering whole teams (assuming both ults hit 5 heroes) with only 2 heroes as early as level 6 or 7 is pretty huge. Couple that with other top ccompetetive picks like Dark Seer, and that's going to be a huge combo. Not to mention even without their ults, an Empowered Elder Titan with his attack bonus from Ancestral Spirit is just unbelievable.

Of course, besides his synergy with Magnus, one of the most competetively picked heroes, he has so many things going for him. Echo Stomp is basically a (max) 5 second Nightmare in a large AOE (that can be doubled) without the sleep effect with even more damage than [Nightmare]]. The damage is negligible though. But that isn't a problem because a 5 second pseudo disable doesn't need damage to be devastating.

Ancestral Spirit is a spell that makes Elder Titan an AMAZING semi-carry or even main carry with a huge casting range, making it not only a very large buff, but also a fairly potent nuke.

Natural Order is not very noticeable in the heat of battle, but it is in my opinion THE most overpowered passive. An 80% armor reduction means you're basically unable to build up armor AT ALL in any stage of the game. Not to mention the 26% magic reduction means that a spellcasting supports will also be fairly viable in a later stage of the game than now.

Split Earth was nerfed a while ago, but that doesn't mean it CAN'T deal 35% of all of the heroes in the AOE's MAX health. AND it has a slow. How OP is that?

TL;DR, Elder Titan has an excellent initiation spell that lasts 5 seconds, a below average damage nuke with a HUGE casting range that also buffs him up for a lot, a passive that basically nullifies the opposing team's defensive traits, and an ult that slows, but also deals a huge amount of damage that scales very well with the opponents' health.

The only thing truly bad about him is his low stat gain and the channeling of his first skill and the slow activation of him ult. But that's what teammates are for right?

So, what does the community think about Elder Titan in the competetive scene? How will he change the meta once he's there?
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » May 4, 2013 3:24am | Report
I think that he'll be ran like a Tidehunter support, in a trilane and all that. He can work in both an Aggressive and Defensive trilane pretty well.
I think he might be ran with Shadow Demon often too.
We'll definitely be seeing some of him.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » May 4, 2013 3:25am | Report
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Natural Order is not very noticeable in the heat of battle, but it is in my opinion THE most overpowered passive. An 80% armor reduction means you're basically unable to build up armor AT ALL in any stage of the game. Not to mention the 26% magic reduction means that a spellcasting supports will also be fairly viable in a later stage of the game than now.


Only reduces base values.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » May 4, 2013 3:58am | Report
In my opinion, the bad thing about this Hero is how to lane him: he can't get the carry's position for obvious reasons, he can't solo lane either and, if you go mid, you have to choose other teammates to initiate with instead of the usual Magnus or Puck. His abilities are really helpful in this meta focused on mid game advantage and, most of the time, on teamfights, but much like Undying or Jakiro I think he won't be played that much if not with specific teammates such as Shadow Demon or Naga Siren.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by samukobo » May 4, 2013 6:19am | Report
Wulfstan wrote:



Only reduces base values.


Oh. Sorry, never knew that. Thanks for the info.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » May 4, 2013 7:35am | Report
samukobo wrote:



Oh. Sorry, never knew that. Thanks for the info.


It interacts with bonus AGI though, anything but bonus armor really, so its still good against AGI stacking heroes, just not someone who's stacking armor directly.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by PeachFuzz » May 6, 2013 10:09pm | Report

In my opinion, the bad thing about this Hero is how to lane him: he can't get the carry's position for obvious reasons, he can't solo lane either and, if you go mid, you have to choose other teammates to initiate with instead of the usual Magnus or Puck. His abilities are really helpful in this meta focused on mid game advantage and, most of the time, on teamfights, but much like Undying or Jakiro I think he won't be played that much if not with specific teammates such as Shadow Demon or Naga Siren.


Actually the general verdict is that he can lane however he wants. I don't see why he can't carry, he's actually really good in the offlane, probably better than say a Magnus. He wins mid like a boss against most heroes, and he can even support if you want him to.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by frogger_29 » May 9, 2013 10:57pm | Report
This guy gonna really affect the meta I think. However, he is repeatedly banned so maybe we won't see much of him in the competitive scene. :-(

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » May 10, 2013 9:27am | Report
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Actually the general verdict is that he can lane however he wants. I don't see why he can't carry, he's actually really good in the offlane, probably better than say a Magnus. He wins mid like a boss against most heroes, and he can even support if you want him to.

The point is that there's almost always someone that can work better than him in that specific lane: obviously, unless you get a side carry like Lone Druid a carry ET will get destroyed by a Gyrocopter or Lifestealer if reaching the later stages of the game; plus, he needs levels in order to be effective (but so do Ancient Apparition or Nyx Assassin, so that's not so bad) and can only work as a support with specific teammates as said before, thus making him not a common support pick but still a viable one in some matches.
He works well in the mid or solo lane, but unless Magnus, Puck, Queen of Pain, Clockwerk and Dark Seer are banned or already picked by the enemies I don't se why Elder Titan would be gotten instead of them.

Of course this is my opinion and I may have wrote something misleading, so feel free to point out what you think is wrong.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by PeachFuzz » May 11, 2013 12:03am | Report

The point is that there's almost always someone that can work better than him in that specific lane: obviously, unless you get a side carry like Lone Druid a carry ET will get destroyed by a Gyrocopter or Lifestealer if reaching the later stages of the game; plus, he needs levels in order to be effective (but so do Ancient Apparition or Nyx Assassin, so that's not so bad) and can only work as a support with specific teammates as said before, thus making him not a common support pick but still a viable one in some matches.
He works well in the mid or solo lane, but unless Magnus, Puck, Queen of Pain, Clockwerk and Dark Seer are banned or already picked by the enemies I don't se why Elder Titan would be gotten instead of them.

Of course this is my opinion and I may have wrote something misleading, so feel free to point out what you think is wrong.


As a laner he does not measure up to Puck, Clock, or Dark Seer, but his impact from 6min to 30min is much much bigger than those heroes that are played as the 3. You could gamble on a really good Magnus or Puck ult, or you can get it right with ET with very low risk and no need for a blink dagger. Clockwerk is used these days to counter Magnus a lot, so still kind of situational.

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