Disabler, Escape, Initiator

Case in point...

The problem with DS carry is that Kyfoid is a typical pub player, which i don't even have to say how he's similar to them.
1. Pick carry item despite the hero being clearly support
2. Courier? What is that?
3. Farm his *** off at the expense of the lane mate (which should be THE carry). Solo hard lane, what is that exactly?
4. Dagon, the ultimate troll item to kill secure heroes. Because DS can farm, that's why. Not because give the farm to, you know, carry who actually need it much more than DS. And then max it despite having Sheepstick is usually better than maxing Dagon.
5. Double boots because DS have 2 legs.
6. Anything you say is wrong.

Double D technique, made by someone compensating for his lack of D? uninstal doto pls tyvm

Again, case in point....

Although ion shell is support since it is cast on other heroes, typically tanks, there is no preventing the ion shell from finishing off opponents for the kill.

If the dark seer suddenly finds himself with more kills then everyone, I suppose that it is his fault for not filling his role.

It's common to find yourself with more kills than anyone on any hero, doesn't make them a carry though. You get Pipe, Aghs, Mek on Dark Seer to help your team in teamfights, DS just isn't a DPSer.

Atlas, love the signature thing, could watch that fail all day :p

And kyfoid, Visage gets loads of early kills, so obviously is an undiscovered carry hero...

The way that ds farms with the potential to max out a dagon so fast makes him a carry...

To me, the definition of a carry is someone who can 1v5 a team.

Does 1v5 an entire team mean that you have to have kills in order to be considered a carry?

No... just need power harassment from a fast farmed dagon, speed (Which he is very much about), and tank ability.

It makes me think of medussa and dragon knight.... How they are ranged tanks. What is defining dragon knight as a carry? Apparently it is the natural power of his attacks? The fact that his natural attacks are capable of hitting all 5 heroes?

And with medussa, we see again a natural attack capable of hitting all 5 heroes....


This natural power I find through the dark seers farming ability...

Dagon has intellegence on it which actually adds some damage, I think this is base damage if I am not mistaken.

Base damage as in like the base damage that vladimir's adds...

With that said, wouldn't this base damage function better with battle fury?

Medussa is a carry, but magnus reminds me of medussa because of his ulti which stuns an entire team, and then how he has that 50 % additional damage with empower like the 50% additional damage of medussa's ult.

So, what exactly is preventing magnus from being a carry? It has to come down to the fact that their ability to hit multiple targets with their basic attack is unnatural as it comes from an item.

Even though magnus can farm well, I don't think he farms as well as well as a dark seer. To me the farming capability is really what makes getting an item like a battle fury so natural for the ds.

Ds is described as one of the most versatile heroes in the game...



Aside from being able to target many heroes naturally, what defines a heroe as being a carry or not?

The types of boots that they use? IS that the line that is drawn? If a character uses power treads and attacks multiple targets with a natural attack then apparently that is the line where one crosses from non carry in to carry...

Hahah, ok, what ever.

A carry is someone who scales highly off of farm and does a high amount of DPS, usually through auto-attacking since it's the hardest to counter in the game.

DS cannot 1v5 unless the enemy spends the entirety of a fight trying to fight their own illusions. DS is far better suited as a utility semi-support. He excels on the offlane since he is hard to kill and can farm without having to be anywhere near the creeps. He has not a single ability that gives him a high amount of damage, everything he has is utility and teamfight. His Ion Shell is a bit of an exception but it really doesn't make a huge difference late game. His vacuum puts all the enemies out of place, repositions them, it's a great teamfight tool. His wall makes him a bit of a counter carry, since the illusions end up doing more damage than the heroes that go through it (if you have aghs), and it has high potential for damage, but not enough to be classified as a carry. And then there's surge, used to get you or allies into position or out of a bad position. Any hero can farm a dagon, it doesn't make them a carry.

I really hate to be the person to say it, but you're playing in the lowest skill bracket for stuff like this to work. You can play carry crystal maiden and it can work in the bottom tier. There's a reason pros don't build dagon on every hero that can farm relatively fast, and there's a reason they don't build DS as a carry.

You are talking to yourself in your own mind too much with out opening your mind to what I am saying.

I already pointed out the point in regard to auto attacking, but dps isn't the soul determining factor of a carry as we can see mass AoE Auto attack with Dk

Actually, I would like to quote DK here...

"Skill wins battles, Gold wins wars"


And with that, I take a bow.... thank you... thank you....

Good luck with that.