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Are Spectre, Necrophos hardest carrys in game?

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Forum » General Discussion » Are Spectre, Necrophos hardest carrys in game? 18 posts - page 1 of 2
Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by qark » July 29, 2014 11:12am | Report
Well i have some games played already, but i am fairly new in this game, and what i dont understand is that we played 70+ minute game, we have in our team full farmed 4 carrys: Alchemist, Anti Mage, Slardar and Weaver, but we got outcarried in late game by combo of their full farmed Spectre and Necrophos, and their others 3 heroes have little farm, so this two heroes Necrophos, Spectre are some super hard carry who outcarry everything else if you dont end game soon???

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » July 29, 2014 11:18am | Report
Necrophos is one of these cores that scale well into late game inta-killing anyone with 50% hp + 6 slotted Spectre just rapes most teams without any problems. Then there come 3 utility/support heroes with stuns/slows/big crowd control skills that let them dish out damage.

Your team had nothing - Alchemist brings nothing against Spectre and bkb, Weaver brings nothing, Slardar can actually do something and Anti Mage isn't best late game carry (who also brings nothing other than push).

Eventually you could just get outplayed Kappa.

EDIT. People need to learn that this game revolves around utility and support roles, because everyone can dish out damage if you give them items (some heroes can arguably do more damage than other ones), but not everyone can hold enemy team in place for 5 seconds, take out all their armor or make their team immortal for 20 seconds.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » July 29, 2014 11:20am | Report
Spectre is definitely one of the hardest carries in the game, however, I;m not sure about Necro. I feel he is more of a semi-carry hero, and he definitely isn't the hardest. A farmed Spectre however is something to watch out for however. Necro is a good hero, but he doesn't have all that much damage, but his ultimate is one to be feared, and level 3 it can pretty much kill any hero with 1/2 hp, because it deals damage per hp point missing.

I'm not the most learned player of Dota, but I wouldn't say Necrophos is a very hard carry, more-so a semi-carry I would say.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by qark » July 29, 2014 11:31am | Report
DzikaPanda wrote:

Necrophos is one of these cores that scale well into late game inta-killing anyone with 50% hp + 6 slotted Spectre just rapes most teams without any problems. Then there come 3 utility/support heroes with stuns/slows/big crowd control skills that let them dish out damage.

Your team had nothing - Alchemist brings nothing against Spectre and bkb, Weaver brings nothing, Slardar can actually do something and Anti Mage isn't best late game carry (who also brings nothing other than push).

Eventually you could just get outplayed Kappa.

EDIT. People need to learn that this game revolves around utility and support roles, because everyone can dish out damage if you give them items (some heroes can arguably do more damage than other ones), but not everyone can hold enemy team in place for 5 seconds, take out all their armor or make their team immortal for 20 seconds.


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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » July 29, 2014 11:32am | Report
Give match ID.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by qark » July 29, 2014 11:34am | Report
Bunkansee wrote:

Spectre is definitely one of the hardest carries in the game, however, I;m not sure about Necro. I feel he is more of a semi-carry hero, and he definitely isn't the hardest. A farmed Spectre however is something to watch out for however. Necro is a good hero, but he doesn't have all that much damage, but his ultimate is one to be feared, and level 3 it can pretty much kill any hero with 1/2 hp, because it deals damage per hp point missing.

I'm not the most learned player of Dota, but I wouldn't say Necrophos is a very hard carry, more-so a semi-carry I would say.


I dont know, but in the end Necro was 31-10-25 and Spectre was 25-12-20, so according this Necro was there biggest thread but when focus him he was tanky as **** adn simply cant die...

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » July 29, 2014 11:37am | Report
qark wrote:



I dont know, but in the end Necro was 31-10-25 and Spectre was 25-12-20, so according this Necro was there biggest thread but when focus him he was tanky as **** adn simply cant die...

Yeah, Necro is definitely a tanky hero, and presuming he had aghs, that means he can kill almost any hero at half health. So yeah, I don't think he is a hard carry, but he is definitely a huge problem with too much farm

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by qark » July 29, 2014 11:48am | Report
Bunkansee wrote:


Yeah, Necro is definitely a tanky hero, and presuming he had aghs, that means he can kill almost any hero at half health. So yeah, I don't think he is a hard carry, but he is definitely a huge problem with too much farm


He dont have agha, he have travel boots,blodstone, shiva, skadi, heart and butterfly.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Bunkansee » July 29, 2014 11:53am | Report
qark wrote:



He dont have agha, he have travel boots,blodstone, shiva, skadi, heart and butterfly.


Oh, well still, he is pretty tanky, and can be a big problem with enough farm.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » July 29, 2014 11:54am | Report
Spectre has an argument for hardest carry in the game, Necrophos is a good late game hero, but not really a carry in the same way - more of a tank/utility hero with some big scaling damage.

The issue might well be that their 2 carries got the majority of the available farm, and got properly 6 slotted as the other heroes let them take it. Having more carries is not always a good thing late game if the farm is spread too thinly between them.
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