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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » March 4, 2013 9:34am | Report
I'll start by saying that there are some Hero builds which are either out of date (which means there are better builds for the current metagame) or basically copy-pasted from the in-game guide with some minor changes: I'm planning to write another guide soon (as I will have a lot of spare time) but, watching the guides on many Heroes, I see that they are mostly wrong and I ask myself what Hero I should write about.


Here there's a quick list and explanations of the outdated guides:

If you have some preferences, let me know so I can try to write down a good guide.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by DzikaPanda » March 4, 2013 10:07am | Report
You could make Io guide with best lane combos and some tricks, I never know how to play him properly.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » March 5, 2013 3:26am | Report
My Veno guide has everything you mentioned.Though I'd agree with the old Leshrac builds,but you can't say its not effective.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » March 5, 2013 4:54am | Report
Wulfstan wrote:

My Veno guide has everything you mentioned.Though I'd agree with the old Leshrac builds,but you can't say its not effective.


Oh Really? I'm sorry, I'll check it out. :D

About Leshrac: it is effective indeed, but you'd have to take farm (which means leaving less farm for the carry) in order to get a quick Bloodstone or its components. It's viable in pubs, but even so people might get the BS after ~30-40 minutes if they can't play properly, in which case an Urn of Shadows + Ghost Scepter within 20 minutes might have been way better.


EDIT: I saw your guide, it's good but I don't like the order of the items very much (for example, I'd buy the Mekansm before the Force Staff and I wouldn't consider the Vanguard as an extension). Still, I love the fact that you put a lot of emphasis on the warding, well done!

EDIT 2: I'll start a Io guide soon if no-one else has other preferences.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » March 5, 2013 5:02am | Report
Peppo_oPaccio wrote:



Oh Really? I'm sorry, I'll check it out. :D

About Leshrac: it is effective indeed, but you'd have to take farm (which means leaving less farm for the carry) in order to get a quick Bloodstone or its components. It's viable in pubs, but even so people might get the BS after ~30-40 minutes if they can't play properly, in which case an Urn of Shadows + Ghost Scepter within 20 minutes might have been way better.


EDIT: I saw your guide, it's good but I don't like the order of the items very much (for example, I'd buy the Mekansm before the Force Staff and I wouldn't consider the Vanguard as an extension). Still, I love the fact that you put a lot of emphasis on the warding, well done!

EDIT 2: I'll start a Io guide soon if no-one else has other preferences.


I'd rather you made a proper guide on support Veno, I hate Wisp.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » March 5, 2013 5:29am | Report
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I'd rather you made a proper guide on support Veno, I hate Wisp.


Just because you hate it,doesn't mean its bad.

@Peppo:I never put the items in order.I usually explain the order in the guide.

EDIT:No idea why people don't play Storm Spirit with Orchid.It just compliments what storm can do best:Be agressive.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Sando » March 5, 2013 5:34am | Report
*Cough*Support Veno*Cough*. Personally I'd like to see a good Io guide - the most popular one on here is pretty out of date and doesn't say anything about Tiny or Chaos Knight.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » March 5, 2013 5:54am | Report
@Wulfstan: I've never called Wisp bad, in fact quite the opposite, I think he's one of the best supports. I just hate the hero.

@Sando: I'd like an "Analyzing competitive plays with Venomancer, by Peppo_o'Paccio".

@Peppo_oPaccio: I'd like to see Nubtrain be the one to make the Wisp guide.
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Wulfstan » March 5, 2013 6:50am | Report
xCO2 wrote:

@Wulfstan: I've never called Wisp bad, in fact quite the opposite, I think he's one of the best supports. I just hate the hero.


Too bad,he has the best voice acting:D
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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Peppo_oPaccio » March 5, 2013 7:29am | Report
It seems I was terribly wrong on Veno, now I keep finding updated guides except the top rated one, which has got a "torunament build" anyway. D:
For this reason, now I feel like we don't need a Venomancer guide anymore.

About the Io guide, if Nubtrains is already going to make a guide for him I'd rather write one about a different Hero.

@Wulfstan: I hadn't had enough time to read all the guide, that's why I asked about the item build. Anyway, I really think your guide (or any other hard support guide for him) should be the top rated one as the current "best" guide make people buy that useless 30-minutes Shadow Blade on Veno.
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