Necrophos Mid?

The difference with ommniknight though is that he has one of the best skillsets in the game, but he is difficult to lane. In TI4 the ommniknight wa offlane but was zoned out so he became underfarmed, but still he can contribute MASSIVELY with his spells.
Necros spells are much less impactfull and fall off really hard, while ommni's stay relevant.
Same for warlock, fatal bonds stays relevant all game, the golems fall off but that is not untill later in the game.

Reapers scythe stays relavant but you cant always use it in the ideal situation, you have to choose. For instance: my carry is getting jumped, do i use my ult like a psuedo fiends grip so i give him time to get away but end up doing no damage.
Or do you save it, but risk his death and running into a teamfight where your dont have a chance to use a good ultimate?

He just doesnt bring what you want from a support.

Compare him to ancient apparition, there are plenty of games where he would be a bad pick because he lacks control, counter initiation, and is mainly about damage and stopping healing.

He does a lot of the same things but without needing massive levels or farm, while being versatile at laning.

I just dont see a scenario where support necro good in any kind of semi-organised match, and i have played some. Even if the players are around 3500 mmr one pick can completely screw your team.


And i dont think it is fair to say thay he might turn up into the meta as a support. In his current state he wont, maybe if he receives massive buffs that make him less item and level dependant we could see some.
But compared to supports who suddenly appeared like witch doctor or skywrath, we knew they they could definately support, the question was just were they good enough to warrant a pick over other supports?

Reaper's Scythe with Aghanim's Scepter upgrade and you cannot buyback. Without Agh's you will take 30% more time to respawn. Heartstopper Aura is HP removal percentage based damage. This falls off really hard? How about Purification - heal/nuke with rather big cooldown.

I think that 2 of Necrophos spells are one of the best that stay relevant all game, and maybe even better as the game goes on.

Omniknight probably has more game impact with lower farm, however he always has very low damage output. Necrophos is all about that long team fight heal/damage, and being able to drop that big ult effectively on a key target - their contribution is really quite different. I'd also argue that Heartstopper Aura and Reaper's Scythe both scale extremely effectively, and the Buyback disable of the Aghanim's Scepter version is even more valuable late game. Even though Death Pulse drops off somewhat, it's still a pseudo- Mekansm every 5 seconds, as well as damaging all nearby enemies and giving phenomenal pushing power.



Think we're at slightly cross purposes here - I don't think of Necro as a genuine support, he's a greedy #4 who should go up the farming priority (not to #1) as the game progresses. "Support" is a placeholder role for him early game while he gets some levels before using his incredible flash farming speed to "catchup" midgame. Say you picked him and he couldn't go mid due to a counter-pick, or you could chuck him in a lane with a strong laning hero who doesn't really need much support beyond some pulls and anti-ganking protection. Or say against a Centaur Warrunner or other tanky hero who'll suffer due to his aura.

He maybe gets the Animal Courier and a few other essentials from time to time, but mainly focuses on getting his own items.

This is obviously completely uncompatiable with most pro-game support roles - most similar to something like a support Alchemist or Wraith King - he lacks their early stun, but makes up for it with superior farming/recovery speed, team heals and deadly ult.



Absolutely, there's no way he'd be an early pickup, he's a late "I think we can get away with this" pick.



Certainly not in the current formations, but during the international we did see some occasional returns to dual lane and other "unorthodox" laning setups. My argument is "never say never" - just because a hero doesn't fit in the current meta doesn't mean their time won't come again or the style will shift so that they make sense. I was pretty surprised to see WD picked up, he's quite situational and greedy for a support, but he obviously made sense for what they had in mind.

If the meta shifts back towards a more passive, farming style, being able to squeeze in a starting support who can quickly shift to a pretty good mid-late game hero can make sense.

Yes you can do that as a carry who is well farmed, but he is a bad comeback hero, especially as a support.
And a support necro with 1000 HP and less then 10 armor is not going to survive in the middle of a fight, and that is exactly where he needs to be.

A support necro just doesnt offer what it requiered of a support.

I think you guys should read this: http://ziedota.wordpress.com/2014/0/page/2/
it's the second thing down, after the Antimage thing. The main points are about how well you can zone out offlaners and how it can be impossible too pull. I would say more but the post fully covers it and my english is horrible.

Necrophos is strongest op hero with biggest win rate and its very good mid, only od and sf can rape him on mid ! Necro is very good mid vs pudge, he rape pudge so hard on mid. But Necro + Bristle is much better becouse its the most powerful and strongest lane combo what i know, capable of raping hard even tri lanes.

Every decent mid rapes pudge since pudge is actually horrible mid.