Sick and Tired of all your people complaining about MMR

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i play support only too. mostly #5.
and i have +4k MMR and climbing.
you are just bad. deal with it.

You probably wouldn't be saying that if you got stuck with people who don't know how to play their roles or overextend/feed/etc.

EDIT: Ping Please Point out what I did wrong here when I fed mid game to let doom get big (creating space for my teammate)

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If I'm right can we just end this topic, seeing as how it's turning in to a flame war? Also in your comparison between the average player and Purge it seems you are comparing apples to oranges. If you want support when I present it through examples only for you to just brush them away, then why may I ask do you call this a discussion and not a debate? Obviously I would feel as though you are attacking me personally when in your first post there were about 3 quotes from me and you basically saying negative comments about me.

On a side note I played a Solo MMR last night in which I only had one cooperative teammate, and the only Pub thus far to talk to me and work out a 2 man strat that worked despite Our Lich and Sniper doing nothing and feeding while are 5th was doing something? Ping if you think that I fed then please tell me what the Lich and Sniper did during the first 15 mins? In addition those dotabuff matches you claim have you seen what I was doing? Most of those deaths if memory serves was from team fights in which I participated while my mates were only semi present, so did I feed if I was in a team fight with 2 people not there and one of my mates saying "DEF MID!"? If so then please provide an example of helping a teammate without feeding in this situation please.

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Jesus christ, you're a ****ing idiot i give up.
Looking through your history, you feed a **** ton during the games you lost.

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You are only changing what you say slightly at this point, during the games I lost if you bothered to even look at those games, like I said I died mainly in team fights or good ganks from enemy team. if you are only looking through the history which I would assume would only look at figures then yes K/D ratio bad could mean feeding or could mean I died saving a teammate which apparently is bad or yes I died in a teamfight that we won or lost. I doubt you had time to watch all my losses or even one.

To your second statement if we are bad then prove it? If I win a bit above 50% of my games then am I bad? If dota's MMR is to provide a fair system in which you win and lose 50-50 then essentially you are refuting your own statements with saying "You guys are bad, deal with it".

Like you said Please support your statement with actual proof not just oh looking at these numbers X fed or suck. MMR doesn't mean anything other than given a random party of mates you've never met or played with you are either A. Going to succeed cause your mates are awesome or B. lose because your mates can't work with you or you with them. These are facts that every dota player I'm sure has experienced.

On a side note please refrain from swearing, it just shows that you are getting upset about a discussion concerning a virtual game made by programmers that you are apparently enslaved to.

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You are only changing what you say slightly at this point, during the games I lost if you bothered to even look at those games, like I said I died mainly in team fights or good ganks from enemy team.(You just admitted you're a feeder. First of all. stop going in first if you keep dying in team fights, secondly, there is no such thing as a good gank. Either you got ganked or you didn't) if you are only looking through the history which I would assume would only look at figures then yes K/D ratio bad could mean feeding or could mean I died saving a teammate which apparently is bad or yes I died in a teamfight that we won or lost. I doubt you had time to watch all my losses or even one. (No ****, i looked through your figure, they all tell the same story which tells me that you're a feeder, the only games u win are the games you dont feed.)

Again if this is a discussion then please explain why you keep ignoring what I said and only take parts I say to make your point when it isn't the whole story. If you look back about a few months there's a game where I was 1-5-6 or something and we won, I was playing support role. Already that refutes the whole "the only games u win are the games you dont feed".

To your second statement if we are bad then prove it? If I win a bit above 50% of my games then am I bad? If dota's MMR is to provide a fair system in which you win and lose 50-50 then essentially you are refuting your own statements with saying "You guys are bad, deal with it".(I have about 50% win ratio as well, but i'm not 2000-3000, i'm pretty darn close to 4k. They system isn't fair, but it gives a pretty decent match up with what is avaliable. I get players who are about 50% as well with 3.8k MMR give or take.)

In this statement you are essentially saying MMR is the ultimate scale of rating a player's skills and nothing else matters cause we have same win/loss ratios. If that was the case then why is dota a team based game? You are essentially refuting your own post here.

Like you said Please support your statement with actual proof not just oh looking at these numbers X fed or suck. MMR doesn't mean anything other than given a random party of mates you've never met or played with you are either A. Going to succeed cause your mates are awesome or B. lose because your mates can't work with you or you with them. These are facts that every dota player I'm sure has experienced.
(Jesus you're one dense guy, i literally just gave you facts! looking at your dotabuff profile, it says you're a pretty big feeder.)

Did you even bother to see what heroes I do and don't usually play? I was learning lion after having not played him in a while and visage was a hero my friend recommended I try. If you just keep berating a guy and literally saying you gave facts when you are lacking in any links or sources of credit then how is it a fact without proof? I'm a scientist and I don't believe anything till I see it. I have a friend who has an MMR of 1200 and he plays even better dota than me, but by your rule apparently my friend sucks compared to me? I don't think so I know when to admit when I get out played by a good player, but to lose because of people being selfish or stupid is just frustrating. All those wins btw are usually a party of friends and me which if you are actually plotted out on excel or a data manager and saw that we have 9-1 win-lose ratio which is highly consistent. I have a 3K+ party MMR when playing with friends and even reached 4K before so numbers again mean nothing to me. We already acknowledge that the MMR is flawed and should not be the ultimate deciding factor in a player's skill.

On a side note please refrain from swearing, it just shows that you are getting upset about a discussion concerning a virtual game made by programmers that you are apparently enslaved to.
(Actually no, i'm getting annoyed about how much people like you complain and ***** and moan. I get annoyed because people like you just spam with replies and threads that you ***** and moan and cry so very often.

If you are annoyed by people like me then learn to ignore and move on because all you have done here once again is single me out because in all your quotes and posts on this topic to date has directly attacked me personally. Not only do you keep stating I I I I I, but also you aren't providing a solution to yourself and the community by starting this soon to be hot debate/flame topic. Vulgar language only shows you are getting angry about a trivial matter.

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Seekheart, you can keep complaining but as i look through your profile i can only see that you are overestimating yourself.
The only hero that you seem to be good at is invoker, it even he isnt always that special.

You cant be a player with 1000+ games and complain about being stuck in lower MMR. If youre really as good as you say you should either be put into higher MMR in the first place, or actually win about 60% of your games until you are back in higher rated games.

If you ask me it is playing invoker so much is hurting you. You should play more roles and heroes since your are not getting much better with invoker untill you become a better overall player.

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I never claimed I was an amazing player, I only lament at the thought of losing due to poor team work or people not listening or throwing the game. Also your analysis is in accurate as I have not play a lot of invoker for quite some time if you look at the dates of those matches. Honestly I'm looking to improve myself as a player. Over Estimation only works if I say I am better than so and so or such, and sorry if it somehow seems that I am implying that. MMR to me is a flawed system and always will be until there is a standard consistency. Solo MMR should only calculate your rating based on your solo performance since your teammates will flux and if it is as now based on Winning/losing then it is a poor indicator of individual skill.

Also I do not critique you on your favorite hero and expect the same. If you looked at my history I have played other heroes TB,Lina,CM,WD,Lion,Veno to name a few.

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First of all, SeekHeart, were you the prophet in the game you posted?Second of all, I will have to ask to finish the argument here.

Have a civilised conversation people, consider this as a non-official warning.