Has valve lost its marbles?

In team matchmaking it's different, it's a team's full decision to end the game, and team matchmaking is more competitive, less just having fun for the sake of having fun. In a pub, it's entirely different.

I do feel that fountain camping IS very stupid. That I agree with. If you've got 2 raxes down and the team cannot fight you, please be a decent person and just hit the ancient instead of scavenge for little kills.

How could Valve remedy fountain diving? Maybe when you spawn in the fountain (not just entering it, only when you spawn from previously being dead) you get damage immunity, and if you leave the fountain it remains for 1 second. Wouldn't stop it completely, you could still be hooked out and all that and then ulted by Pudge while your immunity wears off, but it would stop a great deal of the fountain camping.

Having a vote in a pub to concede would be no different from team match making.... in that one troll couldn't end the game without 4 other people thinking it's over. And allowing a vote once every few minutes would obviously prevent spamming.

As for fountain camping..... if valve increased the fountain's range by say, 500, and doubled its damage, that would certainly make it less plausible.

I think this highlights a common misconception that people seem to have about a surrender option. In the proposed option for pub games, it would have to be a unanimous decision by the entire team. So it would in fact be the team's full decision to end the game.

If even one person doesn't vote to surrender, then the game continues as usual. Limit a vote to once every 10 minutes so it can't be spammed or become an annoyance.

In the last International, the first game of the finals lasted 10-15 minutes before the team surrendered. Valve should give players that option.

I don't understand this constant whining as far as no concede option in pubs is concerned. It's childish and selfish. I also don't agree with having concede option in "pro" matches as well. If Dota really wants to be an electronic "sport" then players should act accordingly. There's no concede option in football, tennis, basketball and so on. American Samoa didn't walk out and saved themselves from one of the most humiliating beatings in history of football. No, they played until the end and lost 31-0. Look at tennis, for example Janko Tipsarevic known for his constant conceding due to "injuries" is a black sheep of his sport and his behaviour is generally abhorred by tennis fans. Why? Because tennis fans aren't interested in watching a loser who can't handle a defeat.

And quitting not being acceptable is not the case only in professional sports competitions. I've never seen a street football or basketball match being abandoned because one team was significantly better (well, not since I've been more than 10 years old at least), the other team always gave their best and honorably fought until the (bitter) end.

There is no shame in losing if you gave your best, if you played for the team. Sometimes you just have a bad game, sometimes your opponents are just superior, but as far as I'm concerned running because you're losing is childish and unsportsmanlike. If you are getting demolished by the other team put the best fight you can and if you can't beat them congratulate them for being better instead of tossing a hissy fit, like an ill-mannered child, every time things don't go your way.

Can you name a sport where the winning team will intentionally drag the game on for a 50-100% increase in game time for the purpose of boosting their personal stats? Because that is the primary problem Dota 2 faces, and to ignore it with romantic notions of "giving it your best" is to ignore the real problem.

There are many professional situations where forfeiture is a regular part of the game. I think the recent World Chess Championship is a great example — games get to a certain point and the end is essentially calculated to the final move. To play on against a skilled player is just wasted time. Dota 2 reaches similar positions and a unanimous vote to concede (after the 30:00 mark) would be a painless and fair way to make this game a much better experience.

People concede way too early.
Im farming for the entite laning stage, i am on top of the net worth yet these people already give up becouse they were losing all the 4v5 clashes THAT THEY KEEP THROWING THEIR BODIES IN. I soon realise that i need to help to defend a bit more even though it is just over 15 minutes in and im not completely ready to head on fight their lineup.

But at this point we are already screwed becouse 2 of the 3 randoms think we lost already and only make half arsed attempts to defend. Even though im better at farming then 99% of all the people i play with in this ****ty tier.
Do i have to pull out a slardar, templar or phantom assasin etcetera, a carry that can fight reasonably early every game to win the game for you?




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No one Here is asking to be able to GG out if their level 1 Rosh goes sour, or their teammate gives FB to a well timed ganked. People DO NOT want to be in a game with a Lina throwing a fit because she is getting out laned in Mid so she intentionally feeds while spamming Garbage in chat. No one should have to put up with that for literally AN HOUR because the enemy team is tickled pink they can get way ahead thanks to her initial bounty and the ensuing 4v5 so they slow roll and avoid taking a barracks untill they feel their 22-1-27 score is high enough to pad their favorite hero's stats page.

Put ALL KINDS of restrictions, Time limits, limited Chances (Each player can start a vote ONCE per game after the 25 minutes mark, vote must not just be a majority but a 4/5ths majority vote (to prevent a singleton troll from continueing to waste your time) I don't care how Hard it is to surrender

I did not sign up as a 3/4 player to Either spend an hour (most nights half my gaming time) getting Farmed because some 13 year old is throwing a fit because he can't 1v3 at level 2 as Jugger. I and No one Else should be PUNISHED for wanting to leave this kind of game.

Granted this kind of totally awful game experience isn't the norm, but it does happen, and SOMETHING needs to be done about it, proactively... the ragey trolls ending up in low priority later doesn't do anything to help the poor people in the games they ruin to earn their reprimand

The real problem with this whole suggestion is that to the best of my knowledge there's no way to send suggestions to valve. And even if we could, they probably wouldn't read them. Right now this is just a post on a forum that no programmer or developer will likely pay any attention to.

They do access the dev forums. Would not really make sense for a game like this to not have a system that takes suggestions from the community. Valve does listen to the people, and I'm pretty sure most forums have some employees watching, though I can't back up that part of my statement.

There are a lot of suggestions made by the community that are not implemented in the game but this is mostly due to those suggestions not being practical/good enough in the first place.

And there's always Icefrog's playdota account.

What some people fail to realize is this:

Nobody really gives a damn about this "concede" option. What anyone wants is the ability to quit a game that is CLEARLY already over and a boring waste of time, without being punished with low priority or some other **** like that. For most people the purpose of playing video games is for entertainment/fun. If the game is just flat out boring, why play it? Find something else to do with your time.