Doom's explanation is wrong.

@daPhongster but in Doom's explanation, it doesn't talk about "Lucifer" being wise and enlightening, so that doesn't really help prove that it is correct as is, I'm pretty sure if anything it helps me prove my point that it should be Satan instead of Lucifer because he sent Doom to do his bidding (there isn't really anything wise or enlightening about that). Also yeah, he had already fallen from the heavens, soo it should definitely be Satan

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All of you saying i was incorrect about the name in Doom's explanation being incorrect: 0

Last time I'll be responding to the thread, you seem to read the bits and pieces you want to read of everything and filter out fact. Lucifer is widely known as Satan, and Valve cannot be wrong in creating their own lore. You cannot be wrong in opinion, only in facts, lore/myth is not a fact but opinionated stories.

Lucifer's direct translation to Latin: Morning star...

Christian View

(They interpreted Isaiah 14:12-15 as applicable to Satan, and presented him as a fallen angel cast out of Heaven. Christian tradition, influenced by this presentation, came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for Satan as he was before his fall. As a result, "Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature")

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Luciferian View

Many do see Satan and Lucifer as being different aspects of the same being, the carnal, rebellious and material Satan vs. the enlightened and spiritual Lucifer.

Satanistic View

Their Bible is called "The book of Lucifer", need I say more?
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Beelzebub's direct translation from Latin: Lord of Flies...

Christian Demonology

Beelzebub is commonly described as placed high in Hell's hierarchy. Is the chief lieutenant of Lucifer, the Emperor of Hell, and presides over the Order of the Fly.

Among the three most prominent fallen angels, the other two being Lucifer and Leviathan. 18th-century works identified an unholy trinity consisting of Beelzebub, Lucifer, and Astaroth.

Luciferian View

N/A, Does not exist.

Satanistic View

Referred as being close to Satan

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Does it really matter?

You guys corrected me about it being Beelzebub (well kinda, it still could be), but it is incorrect as Lucifer. you even stated this in your comment you just put
"(They interpreted Isaiah 14:12-15 as applicable to Satan, and presented him as a fallen angel cast out of Heaven. Christian tradition, influenced by this presentation, came to use the Latin word for "morning star", lucifer, as a proper name ("Lucifer") for Satan as he was before his fall. As a result, "Lucifer has become a by-word for Satan in the Church and in popular literature")"
Doom's explanation takes place after the fall, therefore it should be Satan. And why do you keep calling it a "made up lore"? it is based on stories that were around first, and because it is using aspects other stories, certain things should be correct in the explnnation (such as the proper name for Satan)

Also it does matter how it is now, because it is incorrect. (and it would take time little to fix, they could just patch it during the next update they do)

IF YOU really want the answer,read The book of Belial or The Necronomicon(yes,its a real book).Now,why is this even relative?They might even call him Mario or Luigi.

I am Christian,and I read The Bible,it clearly says Lucifer(yes,in latin means fallen star).

However,in latin,there is another saying that goes like this: "Nihil par Deo."

adfghartykfjd i just said why it was relative, if they used mario or luigi or a made up name, it would make more sense (because then it would really be a made up lore, not one based on actual stories), it is obvious that they are referencing Satan, but the name that they give him is incorrect for how/when it is used, so it should be changed (because it is incorrect. (that is the main reason)).

Also idk what "Nothing like God" have to do with this... (i dont get it)

PS The necronomican isn't a real book, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necronomicon but it is okay, because in Dota at least they spelled Necronomicon right (and i dont want to read a satanic bible, it wont really help disprove my point because it was made by (a) different people(/person))

Why do you think Mario+Luigi is madeup lore and not the bible? You even wrote it yourself that it was just a story from long ago, which was made by Emperor Constantine, just because the bible was one of the "first" stories to be told, it doesn't mean it's real, that smells of hypocrisy.

Although why do you continue to deny that his first name is Lucifer. The bible is a made-up story for Christians to justify w.e they do so stop trying to act like the bible is factual, this isn't the 1500s where **** is madeup on the fly. People used to think Thor or Zeus were real but now many think they're just made up.

Now if you read Doom's lore correctly, "he is the Fallen One, a once-favored general from the realm behind the light, cast out for the sin of defiance: he would not kneel." so your claim that his name should be based after he fell is mute.

-_- wut... are you kidding me dude, if the explanation had either mario or luigi, no one would know that it was about the mario brothers (there would only be one of the names), i didn't say it was a real story, i said it is a story (because it is), it is not a new tale being made up on the spot, Satan is being referenced in it... I'm done, let it be wrong, I don't even care anymore, and I doubt me posting this thread helped change anything (because i doubt any Dota workers are on this site)... Im done, its starting to get annoying giving my reasons why its incorrect, because you all just keep saying the same thing again and again and again.
CaptKnuckles OUT!

(it's not really a rage-quit, its more of an I'm-done-with-this-quit, because I am dunzo)

That's the problem, you don't get it and we're repeating the same information in different ways but you still don't understand. Lucifer/Satan is being referenced and Valve prefer to use the original name of Satan, which is Lucifer, so it's neither right or wrong.

You wanted to give reasons why Doom's name should be Satan, not Lucifer and why it's wrong. We counter-argued and why Lucifer being called by his real name is fine and how it fits his lore since his name and his title contradicts.

Let's say you had a friend who became very successful and his name is Broh. Now he isnt so successful and started doing cocaine/meth/w.e, would you still call him Broh or call him "****up" because society started calling him that? If you don't understand this analogy then you're going to have to get better at critical thinking.

Ah for some reason I thought I was replying to Captknuckles :3