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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CaptKnuckles » February 25, 2013 12:26am | Report
I'm guessing that Doom's explanation is about Satan, but in the description Satan is called Lucifer (which is incorrect). It isn't correct because in stories and junk, Lucifer is supposedly the name of the devils spawn. And the definitions for lucifer are:
Noun
The planet Venus when it rises in the morning.
A match struck by rubbing it on a rough surface.


Instead of Lucifer, the name should be switched to either Satan or Beelzebub. The reason being that the definition for Beelzebub is:
A name for the Devil.


also, someone else's explanation needs to be spell-checked, I forget who, but i remember someone had a typo

(i have no clue where i am supposed to report this thing, so i just made a page here)

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » February 25, 2013 12:56am | Report
Lucifer was the angel who defied god and was banished from Heaven, becoming the Devil (AKA: Satan). Its just some made up lore anyways, they have all types of mythological figures in DoTA that don't coincide, like Zues.

Its just DoTA, don't take the lore too seriously, half the stories were made up on the spot to patch over chances of a law suit in the port from WC3.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CaptKnuckles » February 25, 2013 12:07pm | Report
his name isn't licifer though, people just think that because someone messed up on the translation of the bible (In the bible it even says that his name is Beelzebub), they were basically saying that "the fallen star had crashed from the sky", but for some reason they made lucifer (which means fallen star) into a proper noun. I can't find any good sources saying that lucifer is the name of satan, only ones saying that it isn't (and that it is Beelzebub, i could find a quote if it would help). And for zeus, his story makes sense because he is called zeus, not some made up name that has no affiliation with his actual name.

And if it isn't changed to Beelzebub or Satan, they should at least fix it and make it not a proper noun (because it isn't a proper noun)(they should change it though, because its wrong)

And I'm not insulted or anything by it being wrong lol, it is just really stupid that they have a stupid mistake like that in a game that a lot of people play (thats like if they were to mention God in this game, they were to reference him as "The great beard" or something like that)

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » February 25, 2013 12:24pm | Report
CaptKnuckles wrote:

his name isn't licifer though, people just think that because someone messed up on the translation of the bible (In the bible it even says that his name is Beelzebub), they were basically saying that "the fallen star had crashed from the sky", but for some reason they made lucifer (which means fallen star) into a proper noun. I can't find any good sources saying that lucifer is the name of satan, only ones saying that it isn't (and that it is Beelzebub, i could find a quote if it would help). And for zeus, his story makes sense because he is called zeus, not some made up name that has no affiliation with his actual name.

And if it isn't changed to Beelzebub or Satan, they should at least fix it and make it not a proper noun (because it isn't a proper noun)(they should change it though, because its wrong)

And I'm not insulted or anything by it being wrong lol, it is just really stupid that they have a stupid mistake like that in a game that a lot of people play (thats like if they were to mention God in this game, they were to reference him as "The great beard" or something like that)


You're not getting it, its not a mistake. Falling star...Falling from Heaven, or fell from Heaven either way you put it its a nickname for Satan. Its a commonly known AKA for him. Even if that was the case, Doom Bringerer isn't referred to as the devil. He's a vengeful being cast from his place of power, many other myths place a character in the same spot.

I don't know how you can go about saying that their own made up lore is wrong...that's like saying my opinion on how well something tastes is wrong. Zues does not make any sense anyhow if Doombringer is considered Satan, because Christian Heaven is a lot different from Greek Mythology's Heavens, they are two separate things. That is the very reason why I said not to take it too seriously, they just tried to make a cool sounding back story for a character in a pure PvP game. If you want a game with intricate lore try Warcraft, a game that is meant to have a story.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CaptKnuckles » February 25, 2013 2:54pm | Report
lol no it isn't a nickname, and for Doom's explanation, it seems dumb that they would use "Satan's nickname" instead of his real name, or just saying Satan. I had no idea who the fug Lucifer was, so i had to google it, and google didn't even help me find out what or who lucifer was/meant, I had to read the whole entire wiki page and make the assumption that lucifer was the devil (because they said it meant falling star in the bible), and it is not a common name for him, Satan is a common name, then the Devil, then Beelzebub, then The Demon Prince, and etc (I cant even think of a time that ive heard Satan called Lucifer before this). And Im not saying that their lore is wrong lol its a story, people make stories all the time (I don't get why you are bringing up Zeus and the Greek religion, Dota obviously doesn't have a set religion (read the explinations, I've found at least 5 different religion references)), I'm saying that the name of the character that they are referring to is wrong. Doom bringer isn't supposed to be Satan lol he was cast out of hell by Satan. I know that Greek and Catholic/Christian religions are very different, its just stupid for them to make a reference or something incorrectly, his name is Beelzebub, satan, and the devil would also be okay things for them to call him.

Imagine if they were to mention Bloodseeker in someone else's explanation, and instead of calling him Bloodseeker, they called him "the man with enchanted blades", no one would know who the fug they are talking about, and the majority of people would think that it is plain stupid to call him that

Also, idk why you are bringing Warcraft up, that game doesn't really have anything to do with incorrect religion, it made up its own story (so its not incorrect...). It was a good game though, I'd actually be happy if they were to make a 4th one (im not into wow though)

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Contractual » February 25, 2013 3:14pm | Report
CaptKnuckles, you are actually incorrect. Lucifer a correct reference for Satan. He was the angel of light before leaving heaven hence the falling star reference. He would obviously be a bright angel if he were the angel of light. Lucifer is something even my Priest refers to Satan as. I really doubt that your wiki answer outplays my Priest card ;). Sorry,but, you're wrong.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » February 25, 2013 3:19pm | Report
Huh? Well... his first name was Lucifer and still is. Lucifer means "the morning star, the planet Venus" which pretty much translate to "Light-Bringing or Light-Bringer", you wrote you read it from the wiki and I'm reading this from the wiki and you're interpreting wrong. Satan is a nickname popularized by Christians which refers Lucifer.

Pretty sure Beelzebub is not Lucifer and is one of the 7 princes of hell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_princes_of_Hell#Binsfeld.27s_classification_of_demons

Devil is a general term, it's like saying human

The description for Doom is definitely referenced from the description of Lucifer from Christian Mythology or whatever else he's being depicted in but it doesn't mean it's wrong. Doombringer is a title, and befitting as how he went from the bringer of light to becoming the Doombringer.

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by xCO2 » February 25, 2013 3:48pm | Report


You're misinterpreting everything I'm saying, is English your first or second language?

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by CaptKnuckles » February 25, 2013 5:07pm | Report
I just stated why Christians know him as Lucifer, it is because the people who translated it made the fallen star into his name for some reason (probably to make it easier to follow, or they just had bad grammer), even thought in other parts of the bible it states that his name is Beelzebub or Satan (most parts reference him as satan), and it isn't a wiki answer (i had to wiki who Lucifer was), its common bible knowledge that Beelzebub is his name (you can even check the definition of Beelzebub), and that bible knowledge/definition does outplay your priest card (so im actually right :P), and Lucifer is like a nickname, it just seems dumb that they don't just put Satan instead (Beelzebub would work too because it isn't a nickname either)

also you were right on the devil thingy, my bad

and XCO2, english is my first language lul

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Permalink | Quote | PM | +Rep by Nubtrain » February 25, 2013 5:54pm | Report
Christians probably wanted to call him Satan because Lucifer no longer befits him. Since he no-longer does what his name implies, he was nicknamed something else but Lucifer's name is still his first name. Satan is a common nickname to refer to Lucifer but Satan is not his real name, that's like calling a friend by his nickname and telling people that his nickname is his real name. I think you're confusing common with original.

My priest card, more like my wiki card? :)

Apparently there were 3 major deities that fell from heaven, Beelzebub is High Lord angel that fell along with Lucifer and Leviathan. Lucifer probably disguised as Beelzebub when he met with Solomon, not hard to put the pieces together. You can just say "oh this part said this" without connecting the pieces.

Seems like you're trying to put forth your bible knowledge but you seem to be interpreting it wrong. Fun little time-sinker though :)

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