The Untouchable Weaver (6.80)

nice build, way better then the ones with 100K + views

Thanks for the input guys, i will be sure to implement some of these changes as soon as i can.

also, AA is extrememly strong with weaver due to germinate procing his chilling touch. BKB is good if the enemy has alot of AOE as mentioned above.

also, AA is extrememly strong with weaver due to germinate procing his chilling touch. BKB is good if the enemy has alot of AOE as mentioned above.

also, AA is extrememly strong with weaver due to germinate procing his chilling touch. BKB is good if the enemy has alot of AOE as mentioned above.

This ^

It tells you that X on Y wins ZZ% of the time, but it doesn't tell you why.

Agreed, if you get trapped in a Static Storm without a Black King Bar, you can consider yourself dead. Linken's Sphere won't do a thing in that situation. You need to weigh up what the other Team can throw at you and adjust your build.

..or to put it another way, if you don't need the Healing Salve, is it really going to hurt you to spend 115 Gold just in case your Lane wasn't easy Free-Farm after all?

you cant really take dotabuff as an example.

linkens is better in some situations, and BKB is simply better in others.
its not about the stats or regen, its about the active. and some games YOU SIMPLY NEED IT. its as simple as that. its not a matter of preference, its a matter of adaping to the current situation.

and swarm removing even more armor is great, minus armor stacking is really good.
MKB having a higher winrate is simply because people pick up a desolator first, and if a player manages to get an MKB it means that they have more farm. and as a result win most of the time.

the low BKB winrate is probably becouse people tend to ALWAYS pick up linkens, and after that they realise OW **** THERE IS A LOT OF AOE I NEED BKB! and they they get outcarried becouse as im sure you have noticed weaver can be really useless if he lacks raw damage.

about only getting 1 set of tangos, it really depends how good your opponents are. if they are decent and have a good lane you will need that salve.
it even goes as far as if they are really good or running a trilane, weaver is no longer viable as an offlaner at all, or you need to go for cheaper items like medallion of courage.

Also i found more evidence to support the Linken's over BKB choice in almost all circumstances. If you look at Dotabuff,
http://dotabuff.com/heroes/weaver/items?date=
at Weavers all time stats and monthly stats, you'll find that Linkens has been picked a total of 20,149,068 times compared to BKB's very lonely 1,748,954 picks. In addition Linkens has a 62.73% win rate on pickup compared to BKB's 52.14% Win rate. Based on this evidence id say that the linkens sphere is almost always the best pick, and if you were to pick up a BKB, id do it after the Linkens and some kind of damage item. You have more than enough survivability that the BKB is virtually unneeded.

Oh almost forgot, in terms of Deso to MKB, i agree that Deso can sometimes be better, however your swarm ability grants armor reduction anyways, and currently according to DOTABUFF, players as weaver who go MKB over deso actually have a 10% higher winrate. But i agree that both are viable and the player should make the choice between Deso and MKB based on the current flow of the game.

I have to continue to disagree on the BKB. Ive tried and test this build in over 50 games, and the Linkens sphere has never once failed me. It terms of this build, its the item id suggest most as core. I made another adjustment to the Shukuchi so that you level it to max as fast as possible. As to the one set of tangos, its always been enough for me, but if players feel a little extra regen is needed, there is left over gold from the start, they could pick one up if it feels necessary.

i also think sukuchi should be maxed at seven. the cooldown reduction is just so important especially in the offlane. and you shouldnt use geminate attack anyway to last hit, its too unreliable.

and choosing between linkens is not a matter of preference, its a matter of what heroes your opponents have.

as allegiance said if you have to face heroes with AOE spells like tidehunter, disruptor, elder titan exetera you should get a BKB.
getting both linkens and bkb is possible but you can get outcarried this way.
desolator before MKB is better if you can get it at a reasonable time, it is just that cost effective.

you should also get a salve, especially in the offlane, just 1 set of tango's is just too greedy.

as to the BKB, there are other items i feel are better to prioritize, especially when i have 2 escapes already. I dont find myself dying. It terms of Shukuchi, i hold it off by one level because i feel the bonus level in geminate makes farming early game easier. You get higher farm and dps by putting off Shukuchi by one level. Or do you think maxing Shukuchi is still a much better idea?