Loveless' Guide to Night Stalker

Had a few matches with the updated build and must say it works a treat, thanks a heap for the update. Good work Loveless

Actually me and Ham do play with "the pros" as you call them; we have to use the most effective builds when we play. Don't get me wrong, maxing hunter in the night first is probably fun though!

Don't take it too personal, if you keep playing and get into highskill games, you'll get the hang of it!

Thanks for trying to contribute to the DOTA community though, it seems like your intentions are good.

I have played EM before yes. I eventually started getting into non-EM, not because I wasn't trying to be an elitist, but my friends were and I migrated. I just liked the fast games of EM, but now I prefer a much longer and competitive game, so I have not played EM since.

With that out of the way, in every DOTA2 game I have played to this day, have been of the top 3 players of the game every time excluding when I play Bat Rider and Tinker. God do I suck **** with those two heroes.

Regardless of how you play and/or watch professional games because you could only dream of being able to play on that level, my guides work. Maybe not for you or your **** friends, but several people I know have used my guides and even against me, winning. Go ****ing figure, you look at the guides and knock it, but won't try it.

You are the ignorant one here, ruling out everything I say with, "The pros don't do it. Pubs in non-EM don't do it. So you're wrong."

So tell me, who is the more ignorant one or are we both ignorant?

Loveless, I would like to inform you that this build is in fact wrong.

That is right, even though it is your opinion, this build is still wrong.

Just as 1+1 does not equal 3, this build is just not correct.


I think YOU actually need some tips, and the poor folks trying to learn dota are only learning misinformation by reading your guides (that is right, this is not your only incorrect guide).

Tidehunter should NEVER be a primary farmtaker in lane.


I do think that you are perhaps an "easymode" player. If this is the case, the game changes completely, and your build might have more merit.


Please note though, that your build, this guide, and your tidehunter guide are actually so incorrect that it is offensive to me as an experienced dota player, especially knowing that other new players might read this and think they are learning.

Guides like these promote the new players that think they know everything when infact all they know is misinformation and lies.

Please before replying to me, read the following wikipedia article which shows a problem rampant in the dota community (and you are a classic example): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect


Thank you if you have read my full reply. If you take what I have said to heart, you are a smarter person than I thought you to be.

If you still feel as though your build is in any way good outside of easymode -- may icefrog have mercy on your soul.

There is more to going for Battle Fury than just it's health regeneration. The reason it is so valued on carries isn't just for the splash/damage. It has good health regeneration that doesn't fade in a fight, it keeps you casting spells with mana regeneration, the cleave is amazing for farming even helping in team fights sometimes and it has a lot of bonus damage. For 4350, that is a pretty good all-round item that solves many issues with most heroes.

875+600=1275, that is more than half the cost of Perseverance which gives you a sustained version of both that doesn't really on being near kills, the fountain or rune. Therefore, a more reliable source. Later in the game, Battle Fury is a much more reliable and more than useful item than Urn of Shadows or Bottle, which will most likely be sold later into the game. That, is also a MASSIVE difference.

Again, I can see why you would like the way he or someone else plays, this is proven to work and it has done better than ones I see go the path you speak of.

Word's were never said so true. Look's like my post paid off!

If your guide focuses on ganking you should put more priority in the utility items Hamsandwich mentioned, urn and/or bottle.
Further, nukes are good for ganking. So if your guide focuses on ganking you should level the nuke. You can't compare battlefury to urn and bottle, BFury costs 4350$, urn costs 875$. That is a MASSIVE difference.

Just cuz you like this build, doesn't mean you should close your mind to the points other people make. Considering you aren't on a professional team, you still have stuff you can learn from the community.

My guide focuses around his roaming capabilities. All leveling void does is increase how hard it hits, thats it. If you are any good at all, this isn't even needed. Crippling Fear the hero with a disable or just annoying nukes, Void what you want dead, rape them down with Hunter of the Night and if you can, kill the hero you just used Crippling Fear on.

Also, have you any knowledge at all of how game mechanics work or do you just follow what everyone else does? With what one person did this one time and since it worked, that's the only option. With a Battle Fury you have no need for either an Urn of Shadows or a Bottle. With Night Stalker, your team can have two solid roamers and still do extremely well.

Or do you just read numbers, hear the term roaming/ganking, take the different roles together and use that?

Either way, you have your Night Stalker build and I have mine. That is why at the beginning of every guide, I have this:

Battlefury NS is a joke. Instead, spend your laning gold on a quick urn and then bottle and boots. At night, Balanar will be ganking, so the urn comes in handy to get a quick heal after a successful gank.

Furthermore, Void is your best skill. Max it first. Level Hunter in the Night at level 4/6/8/9.

BKB is listed ;)

Anyways, I am against Basher. So many other items take a higher priority in both damage, survivability and utility. If someone is outrunning you with a 4 second slow and/or silence, you are doing something wrong. A good tactic is to get in their path and then start attacking, so you get the most of the slow, then more auto attacks on top of that. The beauty of having Phase Boots.

Yes, but for Nightstalker basher seems to be more core because it helps you chase, not unit carry and what not because like I said at night your a fast little f'er so if you void to get close then get that stun with basher their dead in seconds. Without it, you still get the kill, but it takes longer which doesn't let you get the most out of the night and gives you more of a chance of being killed. Also BKB is a sick item on Nightstalker if they have a bunch of stuns because then they can't do ****.

To be honest, the only thing here that I approve of would be when your team doesn't have many stuns. The reason I was saying it was good against a Riki, Huskar or Anti-Mage is because they will usually eat you alive in a game of who can do the most damage the fastest. This is where that stun comes in handy, opening up windows of opportunity to give yourself an advantage over them. It was and always has been, an anti-carry item, never a core item or something you get for the damage.