Lina Build Guide DOTA 2: Fire in the Hole! A Guide to Laguna Lina (7.02)

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My standered lina build i usually go shadowblade rod of atos then a bloodthorn, it seems to give a very powerfull mix of spell casting damage and rightclick.

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Secondly, is squishy and people might see a way to take you down whilst is activated :/

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Oh. Well, I've tried this build in game and it seems to be fine. I did try and I didn't really like them. Besides, -25 second respawn time shouldn't be needed if you're a careful player and you don't die. can take out just about all respawn time, even on lvl 25, if you are getting plenty of charges.

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Besides, -25 second respawn time shouldn't be needed if you're a careful player and you don't die.

By this logic, buybacks aren't needed if you're careful and don't die. And HP isn't needed if you're careful and don't take damage. But you will take damage. And you WILL die because you're playing one of the most paper cores in the game, and unlike with others it doesn't get better later. In any normal game dying as is inevitable, in difficult games you will die 7+ games and it's completely normal. However, every second spent in the tavern is a second not spend earning gold or getting **** done around the map.

Usually -respawn time talents are one of the worst in the game, they're mostly given to supports or cores without farm priority pretty late into the game and they don't accomplish anything most of the time. However, IS a farm priority hero with high farm speed and she gets lv10 at ~12 mins as a core which is early enough to have impact. If you read analysis on +GPM talents, almost always they factor in how long will this talent serve you until the game ends. It's the same thing with -respawn time, if you die just 5 times after acquiring it(which, as I said, usually happens) that's already 2+ minutes not spent dead but acquiring money, taking objectives etc.

It's not amazing by any margin, I'd prefer the old 250 mana/20 damage talent choice, but +60 LSA damage is just terrible.

Especially it makes no sense to forgo -respawn time when you're so adamant about getting for whatever reason. You will usually not go over 20 charges unless you're completely stomping, and 20 charges give you -60s(85 with the talent) once, then you respawn with 13 and that's 39(64 w/ talent) seconds only. When you're level 25, you are dead for 100 seconds, so it makes total sense stacking -respawn time.

You're only telling people what to do once you're set and you're doing good, but now how to do good when things are bad. People don't need a guide to win with when they're 10/0 15 minutes in. People do, however need a guide on what to do when their mid is camped by 3 heroes and they're 0/4 after the laning phase, their other lanes are falling apart too and they only have Arcanes Null Bottle 10 minutes in.

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[Gonna go a lil bit off topic with this one, it's more of a rant]

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*Sigh*
If you hate my build about , make your own one about her. Seriously, you seem to be really against it. I don't care if you don't like it, but you could have just given me a simple reason why you don't like this build rather than ranting on about my 'cookie-cutter' build. Anyhow, what happened to the whole thing about Dota 2 being fun? It ain't about the best build.

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"Fun" builds take some hero's gimmick and overlooked strength and play around it and they're basically a big "**** you" to an orthodox way of playing the hero. They're usually not nearly as viable as normal builds but if u are up for some tomfoolery they're perfect.

HotD and Echo Sabre on Dark Seer because of his lv20 +dmg talent is a fun build.

Going mid Lich hoping to survive until level 20/25 and then wrecking everyone is a fun build.

Taking a hero in their most common position and just replacing good items with supbar ones is not a fun build.

I gave you my reasons already multiple times, you try to play a hero with a particular playstyle while skipping their best item for that playstyle.

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Dimony, the +60 LSA damage may look pretty dog**** at first sight but that talent is all about flashfarming.

Without talent, Q+W = 520 damage
With talent, Q+W = 580 damage

Melee creeps have 550 HP.

It's the difference between killing a creep wave in 2-spells and putting creeps at low HP.

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I'm still not convinced, its not like you are such in a hurry as that you can't afford to dispatch a rightclick in every melee creep before nuking the wave. You are in a hurry as say SF, because your razes don't cost 999 mana and you can still farm fast with just your rightclicks because of your stupid soul damage. As you run out of mana extremely quickly if you don't manage it carefully, so it doesn't matter if you take a creepwave 3 seconds faster because in the end you will still run out of mana and be able to do zilch if you cast 270 total manacost spells on every creepwave. The hero is completely harmless without her mana, think of her as of .

I guess it's not rly a valid argument since everybody does it, but for it to work you also need to max LSA second - and I'm REALLY not a fan of that(but this guy goes a caster build(kind of?) so I guess it's fine). I'm a fan of leaving LSA on lv1 for as long as possible, so it costs 100 mana and allows me to keep my stacks up at leisure. 30 extra mana toll may seem marginal, but it adds up and becomes a real problem and if you don't believe me, look at SF.

By the way, I think you may find it interesting, I've been trying different stuff with to make her playable and so far I've come with this build:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/160739465/matches?hero=lina

Basically, you get 2 branches and FF(I've been getting Null but then I tried 2 branches and it's so much better and changed my lane dynamics completely), right off the bat doublewave enemy mid, get fast level 2, righclick them into submission with cheap passive stacks, get (+observer if you haven't been pulled with it) and then continue being a massive **** to the enemy mid. Then you get Boots--Phase and then straight Atos into Pike. Excuse me for the ****ty pun, but RoA is ****ing fire on and I don't know why I've been going Eul's all this time.

The benefit of this build that you don't have 800 HP anymore, you have setup that is better than Eul's in pretty much every way, you don't have to expose yourself and can do everything from 800 range, and you deal a ****ton of damage, since your target stays in their place and you get free 40 damage at 15. You also can farm fast AND join fights at will because of .

Honestly if get a buff next time and her rival(let's be honest, we're just cosplaying ) gets nefred, she may become a great midlaner again.

What do you think?

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That I'm a prophet.

http://www.dotafire.com/comment-link?comment_id=135461

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Well, it's the 2nd time you advised me a build on a hero which I initially rejected but then eventually came to anyway.

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= almost infinite mana to spam Q+W and become the new SF.

With SR it's only 120 mana. Which you regen in about 15-20 seconds. You get one free Q+W combo every SR cooldown.

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But that's terrible. You definitely don't need to regen HP loss from , I've played like 15 games with it and HP loss easy to sustain as long as you're not tanking creeps to much. are terrible anyway, they give no HP, they don't let you chase because they break the moment you land a rightclick on the enemy hero, they basically only give you HP regen which you don't need and degenerate you into a walking Eul's-LSA with 1k HP and almost no answer to being initiated on except Eul's which doesn't let you survive most of the time anyway.

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1) If you go for you get . It's way more mana sustain than , HP loss isn't a problem as long as you're not tanking creeps too much, and it eliminates the need for which are terrible if you're not going for Lens-Aghs or smth.

2) Get instead of Arcanes and max your passive 2nd. It's way more damage aganist everything and it's extremely efficient because you only need to cast LSA(which is also cheaper for some time since you don't max it) to keep the stacks up and the passive does the rest for you. With Phase-SR you can easily clear the whole jungle with an efficiency no other build can provide and this is super important because your spells cost a stupid amount of mana to sustain.

3) is redunant. It is a very passive item, and you do not absolutely need it to sustain yourself like or do. If you want survivability AND sustain, get Linken's. It provides the very same things as in a lesser amount, with a great active and some stats on top.

4)Either get Aghs, or completely revert your talent choices. There are basically 2 ways you can build core - you eihter get Lens, Eul's, Aghs etc. , instantly burst a key enemy hero in a fight and then throw spells around, OR you don't get those and go rightclick. You are trying to build a caster without Aghs, which is her best item by a large margin. If you want to pick up -Slave cd and spell amp, by all means do it. But get Aghs then, caster without Aghs makes no sense, and it's not just about piercing spell immunity(which you don't always need).

Also, no matter which build you go, and regardless of what position you're running in, -25s respawn time is better than 60 LSA damage, it's just something you should always opt for.

5) You generally don't want to jump into fight as soon as you're 6, similarly to most other mid heroes. A counter-gank TP or an occasional smoke gank is okay, but running around forcing fights is just extremely risky and generally not rewarding. Your goal is to take down enemy mid T1 tower, get Eul's/SB as soon as you can and then go for pickoffs. Think of as of SF in this regard.

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