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Kuroky went vlads without boots and started jungling. Then he went maelstrom into manta mjollnir.
A few days ago i also saw a vanguard vlads manta basher AM. I believe it was hellraisers. They needed to fight early so he itemised for it and he became absolutely untouchable. Its very situational but can work.
Also xyrus a 13 min BF at the latest is VERY exaggerated. 13 minutes is with freefarm, its not like you are a spectre who falls really behind because of het worse buildup. A battlefury that is 2 minutes later just means that your other items are 2 minutes later.
for when to join teamfights as hardcarry, ask yourself the following questions:
- are your buildings in immediate danger?
- could you get into the fight fast enough if you tp to the closest tower?
- and are there any enemy heroes that are out of position (diving for instance)
if all the answers are "no", just keep farming and splitpushing.
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